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All:
    I have a $50 dollar gift certificate from AMG Media good for their
LightWave 3D training seminars or the 1996 VTU Expo seminars that I can not
use.  Price?... $20.00 dollars saving you $30.00 dollars if you were planning
to attend anyway.  The coupon is part of a package from AMG for the early
purchase of the LightWavePro Compilation Book (a must have fantastic book).

David Pasternack
Harvard University Science Center

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Grant)
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Subject: [AMIGA] Changing screen mode of Layout
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OK, I just bought LW 3.5, and oh-my-goodness there's a dongle hanging off the
back of my machine.

I haven't seen any mention of this in the manual, so maybe the xperts here
can shed some light on this.

How can I get Layout to run on a Super72 Highres-interlaced (800X600) screen?

I figured out how to do it for Modeler (the Screenmode item in the config
file) but Layout continues to elude me.

Thanks.


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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:23:35 -0400
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> Possible, but not probable...  I did hear a rumor that some smart Soviet
> had figured out a way to make a 3DS-DOS IPAS work under Max, but I'll
> believe it when I see it.

Not a rumor, it is a fact. I think either Digimation or 4DVision will be
selling it. Don't know how well it will work, but if it is from the same
people who did World Builder then it should be pretty amazing.

Jeff
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From: [e-mail] (Al Mejias)
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Subject: Re: book for LightWave
Date: 29 Apr 1996 14:25:41 -0400
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In article <4lpfrg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Antony Wong) writes:

>Hi, anybody
>
>I am looking a book for LightWave, does anybody know have a book
> for this LightWave ?
>if yes, please tell me what is the book name or other information,
>
>Thanks a lot !!!
>
>Antony Wong
>[e-mail]
>
>

Hi Antony,

This is what I always tell people:
1. Do the tutorials first. They get you familiar with LW and you will
learn a lot.
2. Read all the manuals. Not just some parts of them, not just the User's
Guide, but ALL of the manuals. You will find a lot of "litttle" tip that
will save you a lot of sleep. Most other books and tape just rehash the
manuals anyway so save yourself a bunch of time and money and read them
all the way through. 90% of the Q asked here and in other LW forums are
explaned in the manuals.
3. Once you have done your homework, you should then know what you need to
know. Subscribe to LightWavePro and Video Toaster User and get the
LightWavePro Compilation Book.

Al Mejias
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Dann M. Stubbs)
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no more overlit, ambient washed out plastic graphics...

if you like CGI with a "real" look visit our site.

www.darkskydigital.com

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From: [e-mail] (Dan Zimmerman)
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Subject: Re: PVR and Video Action Pro?
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In article <[e-mail]> Ken Geary <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Ken Geary <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: PVR and Video Action Pro?
>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:52:37 GMT

>Steve Axtell wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried Video Action Pro NLE software?  I heard it beats
>> Premiere.  Any comments?  Does it direclty support PVR like Speed
>> Razor?  Ax---------

>Looked nice, but rendered slow, even with dissolves and it was running on an Alpha.

Are you referring to the NT version??

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From: [e-mail] (fbm)
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Subject: Lanc cable with com port connection for LW???
Date: 29 Apr 1996 18:04:04 GMT
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Hello all!!

just a little question: is it a way to made a lanc(sony compatible) cable by
the com port or auther to use with LightWave controle or auther soft???
please schema..if the thing is right..!!

Thanks!!


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From: Ryan McDonald <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:59:48 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:
> >
> >  BWAH-HA-HA!!!  Have you ever considered that layout corruption is what the
> >  "crack" does?
> >
> >  File this under "you get what you pay for".  Or maybe "Just say No to
> >  Crack".
> >  --Brian
>
>         Indeed.  Can you BELIEVE these assholes?
>
>  BTW, send NewTek the crack file, so they can prepare better          surprises for it!


Assholes?  Maybe comments like yours would make you seem as such in
their eyes.  These people are just fed up with the dongle nightmares -
its not a reason to try to make them feel small.  Having lost a parallel
card to the dongle I can sympathize with them.  They have chosen to make
their lives much simpler by modifying a product that they have purchased
in such a way as to make it more reliable and easier to use.  If the
patch is applied to a legitimate copy of LW and not done in the interest
of piracy I say more power to them.

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From: Bartosz Zapal <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HIIP.DLL for Win'95 wanted!!!
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I can't run my LW4 for Win'95, apparently because of lacking HIIP.DLL file.

Please, someone send me this file, or where can I find it?



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From: [e-mail] (Nekrmncer)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: on the fly resolutions switching with new ATI mach64 drivers under Win95
Date: 29 Apr 1996 15:42:45 -0400
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Actually there is a free utility that you can download called powertoys
with a feature called quickres that allows you to switch color depth and
screen size on the fly with any graphics card but I think it only work in
Win95.

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From: Jair Bobys <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: FAST FPS 60 Board
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:05:07 -0500
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Anybody have any experience with the FAST fps 60 board?

I do not have a PCI system and am looking for a relatively inexpensive
way to get my animations to video.

This is more for hobby than anything else and the PAR is a little
out of my price range at this time.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe for any feedback.

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Dan Zimmerman wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> Ken Geary <[e-mail]> writes:
> >From: Ken Geary <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: PVR and Video Action Pro?
> >Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:52:37 GMT
>
> >Steve Axtell wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone tried Video Action Pro NLE software?  I heard it beats
> >> Premiere.  Any comments?  Does it direclty support PVR like Speed
> >> Razor?  Ax---------
>
> >Looked nice, but rendered slow, even with dissolves and it was running on an Alpha.
>
> Are you referring to the NT version??yes

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From: [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz)
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Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:25:48 GMT
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On 21 Apr 1996 14:53:02 -0700, [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
wrote:

>Any of you folks get to see that 500Mhz Raptor 3 we were demonstrating in the
>DeskStation booth at NAB?  That baby really screams!  A specific example I
>recall off the top of my head... Load the Watership scene that came with 4.0
>(in the Vehicles dir).  Turn off field rendering, turn on low AA, show while
>rendering and full-screen display.  This beast did it in 11 seconds (while
>playing the Perception card).  I'd be interested in results on your systems...


Assuming that you are at 640x480 square pixels and all else the same
my Dell 200mhz p6 did it in 31 seconds.  This computer only cost $5k.
Hmm.

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: 29 Apr 1996 13:54:04 -0700
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William Teegarden <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Imaging, Area 51.  Before you misconstrue what I said before, I
: mentioned that TOP alias talent will of course make more than top LW
: talent, but rank in file, in the trenches alias animators make less
: then there LW counterparts.  Why?  Because LW is still a niche player
: in Hollywood.  They're sort of the Prisms of TV, in the sense that they
: are an elite group who have almost all of the TV visual effects market
: cornered.

Are we comparing Amblin, Area 51, and Foundation salaries, the top in
the LW world as I know it, to Digital Domain, Sony Imageworks, Disney,
Dreamworks, Warner Bros, Metrolight, VIFX, Boss Films, PDI, ILM,
etc? I mean, by your definition anyone employed at these places *are*
top talent. Please site examples of in-the-trenches Alias employers
vs in-the-trenches LW employers. It seems you want to compare the
*top* LW users in the top LW using companies against non-top companies
using Alias.

On the average, I've found that LW users across the country, for the same
years of experience, make less than Alias users, and we're talking
employees not people who own their own businesses. The number of self
employed LW users far outstrips self employed Alias users, for obvious
reasons.

Average pay for Alias users in the above mentioned houses is over $70,000
per year, top talent making 6 figures up to around $250-300,000 per year.
Those jobs are usually supervisory with some hands on work.

: Of course everyone is asking for Alias/SoftImage talent.  That's where
: all the action has been in film for past five or so years.  If you look
: at TV though, you will not find one single house that would use Alias
: or other UNIX software, because it's just too expensive.

And Alias talent is too expensive too. For most of the effects work being
done for TV, Alias would be overkill.

: Because they have tons of money and can afford to through it around.

No, because they need to be able to do things quickly, and have the
confidence in the features, particularly those related to character
animation and texture mapping.

: The conventional wisdom wins here because people at SKG assume that
: anything that runs on an SGI has to good.  Hell, SGI is practically
: giving hardware away just so they can say SKG uses SGI.  What people
: don't know however is that SGI's days are numbered, unless they come
: out with some new stuff very quickly.  Their machines are rapidly
: falling way behind the price performance curve.  The machine I have
: under my desk at work is roughly 3 to 4 times faster than an Indigo2
: Extreme.  And's almost half the cost.

I agree with SGI's days being numbered, but first the NT 3D programs
have to be better than SI/NT is now. If LW takes as agressive an approach
as Max to building an open system, and all three programs try to outdo
each other, and Microsoft convinces more SGI vendors like Parallax,
Amazon Paint, Prisms, Taarna/Digits 'n' Art, Discreet Logic etc to
switch sides, then SGI is dead in the workstation class.

Currently, the body of NT programs is simply not as full featured as
the SGI programs.

: You own a copy Poweranimator?  How much you pay for it?  I would have
: rather bought new BMW, or perhaps opened an nice IRA.

Heh, I was going to buy a new computer and software this year. I decided
to buy a house instead.

: I would rather not flush 30K down the toilet at this time.

You could always get a job and not have to own equipment. I love that
aspect of my work.

: SGI's.  As far as rendering output, LW's AS good as Alias.  What it

No it isn't. LW still has some quality that looks computery, no matter
how much time you spend lighting. Oddly, Softimage's stock renderer
has the same look (Mental Ray is a different story). Alias is often
used in live action plates, and you can't tell it's not part of the
scene (my friend at Sony Imageworks prefers Alias renders).
And then of course you could move up to Renderman, which requires
a lot of programmer finessing to get what you want.

: lacks mainly is Alias's more sophisticated animation tools. Perhaps the
: biggest asset LW has though is that it offers FAR more bang for the
: buck than Alias.  That's why companies like Digital Domain are hirering
: LW and other NT people to do their film projects.

We'll see how that goes.

: future.  Unless Alias ports over to NT, it's days will be numbered.

Yeah, I like giving our Alias rep a hard time about that. The current
manifestation of Alias is unportable. Maya is supposed to have leaner
code that isn't ten years of spaghetti code built on top of more
spaghetti code.


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From: [e-mail] (Eric Haddix)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Amiga 2 PC #406
Date: 29 Apr 1996 16:34:58 -0400
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Phil South ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Surely someone somehwere has made a PC program which reads Amiga disks.
: That would be so useful and let's face it HOW HARD COULD IT BE? You can
[snip]

Harder than you think....

: I know that you can read PC disks in Amigas, I've been using Amigas since
: 1986, but what I'm looking for is a way of reading a disk containing the
: full approx. 880k. If I have to copy, unpack, paste, fiddle then so be
: it. But I would like to avoid this mess.

PC's in general lack the hardware to read Amiga format disks. This has
something to do with how it writes the tracks(or maybe the
sectors...can't recall)... Either way it can't be done to my knowledge
without hardware hacking...

BTW this hardware is present it the Amiga and not the floppy drive itself
so we can shut it off to read the PC disks(and Mac disks...and Unix
disks..and...)

: Don't talk to me about PC to Amiga null modem tricks either, because
: almost every one I've tried has been useless.

Sounds like you haven't experimented hard enuff... I got a null modem
working between a PC and Amiga in less than 1 hr...and a friend got
"twinexpress"(or whatever it's called) working in less time than that...

L8a


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From: [e-mail] (Adam Ives Chrystie)
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Subject: Re: Wait for 5?
Date: 29 Apr 1996 21:29:44 GMT
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In <4m240j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dan Alexie) writes:

>I'm not sure what I should do. I could wait for LW 5 or I could get 4 now and
>then the upgrade later. I live in Australia and I would prefer 5, but I don't
>want to wait for ever!

welp.. it is probably gonna cost you the same no matter what you do

for example,

LightWave 4.0 is usa is around $800

the upgrade to 5.0 is $595?

total cost if you buy lw 4.0 and then upgrade = $1395

LightWave 5.0 cost around that much..so the savigngs is not giant you
might not be savig at all..dunno what prices are like down is australia...

Adam
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From: John Reddington <[e-mail]>
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Subject: LWPRO book
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 22:29:02 GMT
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Has anyone in the UK received their copy of the LWPRO
compilation book yet?
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[e-mail] (Dann M. Stubbs) writes:

>no more overlit, ambient washed out plastic graphics...

>if you like CGI with a "real" look visit our site.

>www.darkskydigital.com

>we are currently looking for a medium budget film project to fill our late
>summer/fall production schedule, forward any interested parites to
>[e-mail]

>Thank you

>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Dann M. Stubbs
>  Dark Sky Digital - Computer Animation + Digital Effects
>  Altamonte Springs, Florida  USA
>  [e-mail]
>  www.darkskydigital.com
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

I checked this site out. Actually, its pretty slick stuff! Not quite
non-plastic (the holy grail of most studios), but really slick.
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From: [e-mail] (Warren Vosper)
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: This is what I always tell people:
: 1. Do the tutorials first. They get you familiar with LW and you will
: learn a lot.
: 2. Read all the manuals. Not just some parts of them, not just the User's
: Guide, but ALL of the manuals. You will find a lot of "litttle" tip that

  what comprises 'all of the manuals'.  I got a user guide and`
a reference guide when I bought 4.0c.  there's also a pennello
light users guide.  am I missing anything?

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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Subject: Re: Wait for 5?
Date: 29 Apr 1996 21:59:32 GMT
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[e-mail] (Adam Ives Chrystie) writes:


>In <4m240j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dan Alexie) writes:

>>I'm not sure what I should do. I could wait for LW 5 or I could get 4 now and
>>then the upgrade later. I live in Australia and I would prefer 5, but I don't
>>want to wait for ever!

>welp.. it is probably gonna cost you the same no matter what you do

>for example,

>LightWave 4.0 is usa is around $800

>the upgrade to 5.0 is $595?

>total cost if you buy lw 4.0 and then upgrade = $1395

>LightWave 5.0 cost around that much..so the savigngs is not giant you
>might not be savig at all..dunno what prices are like down is australia...



WELP, You guys should probably be informed that the educational price of
LW4.0 is circa $600 while the educational price for 5.0 is circa $900.


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From: [e-mail] (The surfer)
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From: [e-mail] (The surfer)
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From: [e-mail] (The surfer)
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From: Charles Ng <[e-mail]>
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I finally got the compilation book 4 days ago. I
went
to AMG in person and bought that. It is SUPER!!!
Every goodies techniques are all there along with a
CD-ROM full of ... other goodies textures and
stuffs. Man, get that guys!

LSam
PS: Just to mention that I am not from AMG or
something, but that book is really a MUST to own.

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From: Tetsuo <[e-mail]>
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Subject: F/S:CALCOMP DRAWING BOARD II!!
Date: 29 Apr 1996 22:48:54 GMT
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 This is my second time posting (my first offer was a bit steep) but
any way. I am selling a 12x12 Drawing Board II w/ pen and soft for IBM
and Amiga. All cables and manuals. Only used it twice. I was asking $400
but then I was told (plus saw for myself) that you could get new ones
for $250. So I am selling for $200. If anyone is interested. (just to
save people time, I won't go lower than this and I have gotten offers
for $200 before).

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[e-mail] (Stranahan) wrote:

>Of course, you should realize that I don't plan to retire on sales....I've
>got a film career I'm working on. I usually have 4 or 5 projects, each one
>of which nets me a decent (not overwhelming amount)....the idea is that
>they add to a good amount...

>Any other questions?

Yeah - does video equipment depreciate at a different rate than
computer equipment for tax purposes, and if so, what is the
difference?

John Rice


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Powell)
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DENNY LEE ARMSTRONG ([e-mail]) wrote:
: i am a registered user of lightwave and have been having problems
: with dongle. does anyone know where i can get dongle patch

    Ouch! that must *really* hurt... lemmie guess, the
    zipper, right?

    :-)   -mp-

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:18:22 -0500
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Fusion Films wrote:
>
> Coming from a strictly film background I can tell you that one of the
> main reasons that I got involved with LW was the fact that it worked like
> a traditional film shoot.  And part of this was having ONE camera.  LW
> makes it easy for someone like me - a person with NO computer background
> - to create terrific animations based on a background in film production.
>
> Having multiple cameras is an excuse to get lazy.  Why relight for a
> particular angle when you can just plop a camera down and forget about
> it?  Why even think about the construction of your shots before hand?
> Just stick 5 or 6 cameras all around your scene with different lenses and
> shoot whatever happens.

I'm from film background *and* 3D computer background. Been doing both
for long time. I like multiple cameras -- as in trueSpace2 -- for
convenience when modeling. It's nice to be able to have multiple
perspective as well as ortho views onto the same object that I'm
modeling.

But when it comes time to render a scene, I can't agree with you more.
If anything, I think you should plan your shots and render segments of
the scene as different clips accordingly. Then import these clips into
an editing package and splice them all together there. You get better
control of match-frames and timing in an editing package, as well as
transitions other that cuts, i.e., dissolves, wipes, etc. Render your
clips with a few seconds of extra footage at the beginning and ending
for leeway when editing.

Nate

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:27:38 -0500
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Steph Greenberg wrote:
> This feature can change your entire way of working, and encourages fast
> cuts instead of lengthy one camera shots. Based on the reels I've seen,
> few people go through the trouble of multiple cuts, but if it were a
> standard feature, I think more people would take advantage of it.
>

This is probalbly because you are seeing work from people who
think like animators, not editors. Try this: render the first 15 seconds
of a scene from a camera position. Now move the camera somewhere else
and render the last 10 seconds of the scene with an additional 5 seconds
of overlap from the first render. Now you've got 2 clips from different
cameras that are 15 seconds long with 5 seconds of overlap. Use that 5
seconds of overlap for a simple dissolve in Adobe Premiere and voila!
Now you've got a 20 second animation from 2 cameras broken up by a nice
dissolve. EASY.

Nate

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: PVR and Premeire 4.2 ??
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:31:58 -0500
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Dan Zimmerman wrote:
> Even though this is the LW group, here my question. I am still waiting for 4.2.
> Will it be possible to capture straight from within premiere, so that
> batch-capturing (on-lining) will be possible? Anybody got any experience yet?
>
> Dan Zimmerman
> EuroTech Productions
>
> Also: Anybody bot MCXpress Yet??


Yes, you can capture video and audio from within Premiere. It also has
full support for batch capture, timecode, and EDLs.

Nate

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Recommendations for Best OpenGL video card??
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:34:01 -0500
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Ken Armour wrote:
 I know the MGA Mellinium card from Matrox is
> considered a good candidate but surely there are others equal to or
> superior to that???

As far as I know, Matrox still does not have software drivers
working that enable 3D support under Win95 or WinNT. Also, unless you
get an 8MB card, you'll be limited to 16-bit color depth at 800x600 or
640x480.

Nate

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: AVI editor
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Shadowbird wrote:
>
> Is there such thing as an AVI editor?  Say I have an AVI that I like, but
> it needs a bit of touching up---preferably something that is decently
> shareware or freeware, I don't have much of a budget...  ;-)
>

You might want to try and get an educational or used version of Adobe
Premiere... it's a great editing package that will problably exceed all
your needs and it's relatively inexpensive. New versions are $495. If
your a student, you can get a version for half of that. Or you could
find a used copy second hand for cheaper.

Nate

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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
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You could do a morph...  Create 2 objects: 1 with the components in
head-on axis positions and the other with the componenents positioned in
arbitrary positions.  It's more data but it could be a viable solution if
you would rather position your components with the accuracy of Modeler.

-Lyle Milton
-One And Only Media


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Yeah - does video equipment depreciate at a different rate than
computer equipment for tax purposes, and if so, what is the
difference?

-----------------------------------

Mr Stranahan is not a tax attorney, nor a member of the bar in any state.
His opinions are for entertainment purposes only. No wagering, please.



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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Frankly, I think lack of multiple cameras has been discouraging LW users
>from doing camera cuts, and it shows on much LW work I've seen with these
>long single camera shots.
>
Why do you need multiple cameras to do a cut in one scene? Simply move
the camera to the new location and/or aim point and create a keyframe
at the very next frame after the previous keyframe, and you have a
cut.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Dave Paige <[e-mail]> wrote:
>: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville ) wrote:
>
>: >With the exception of targeting a camera to an object, this can be effectively
>: >simulated by using Null objects.  For simplicity, just rename the Nulls as
>: >Cameras. I haven't tried it , but you might even be able to use IK to target
>
>: I agree, I've never understood what the usefulness of multiple cameras
>: is. You can only look through one at a time and you can only render
>: from one of the perspectives. If you want to look from a different
>: location, just put the camera there.
>
>Of course you don't understand a feature that you could *take for granted*.
>If you can't see an advantage to multiple perspective views, multiple
>lens legnths, setting up cuts, close ups, med shots, long shots, testing
>the animation in your scene from different angles, changing the animation
>and not losing those angles. In particular when you're under someone
>else's direction, they really *care* about where the camera is, and they
>*want options*.
>
I do this all the time in Lightwave without multiple cameras.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Subject: Re: Jumanji vs JP
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[e-mail] (Chris Golchert) wrote:

>Jurassics' looked real (see dinos aren't purple)
>
>
Wow! where you actually around when the 'real' dinosaurs were. Is that
how you KNOW that they weren't purple.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Baker)
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Subject: Save the HyperNauts!
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 18:27:47
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The "Hypernauts" is in danger of cancellation.  If you are interested in
seeing this show continue, please write ABC a letter letting them know how you
like the show, how your kids like it, etc.

Paul Beagle-Bryant of Foundation Imaging would like the messages to pass
through Foundation Imaging, so please post them to:

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (David Timperley)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: reflecting Lensflears
Date: 29 Apr 1996 07:34:40 GMT
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I'm pretty sure that There is no way to get Lens flears (or glows) to render in refected materials, how is one to generate
mirror balls, get that glint off a passing car bumper, or render sparkes on the water???

These effects occur in mirrior surfaces in real life, way can't LW???


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From: [e-mail] (Robert K. Williams)
Subject: Re: on the fly resolutions switching with new ATI mach64 drivers under Win95
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In article <[e-mail]>, Hammed Malik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Not directly related to LW but I thought others might find this
>information as useful as I did.
>
>Just downloaded the latest drivers for the ATI mach64 graphics card.
>One of the new features is resolution/colour depth switching on the fly
>without having to restart windows.  I believe this feature was available
>with the old drivers under Win3.1 but didn't work under Win95.
>
>I've got a couple of hotkeys set up to change between 1024x800x16bit and
>800x600x24bit and it works great.  I like working in the 1024 mode when
>using LW and don't mind the lower colour depth but for Photoshop, I need
>24 bit and have to go down to 800x600 (only 2MB VRAM).  Before I got the
>new drivers, if I anticipated spending more time in photoshop than LW,
>I'd switch to the lower res (didn't want to have to restart windows
>everytime I switched programs).  With the new hot keys, I can run each
>program in the preferred resolution.
>
>The new drivers also allow virtual screen sizes.  You can scroll around
>with the mouse.  Feels so much like my old Amiga :)
>
>hammed
>
>almost forgot, drivers can be had from:
>http://www.atitech.ca
>
>

If you get MS PowerToys for 95, it includes a program called "QuickRes", which
allows you to change screen mode depth and resolution on the fly.  It puts a
little icon in the tray.  Works with any graphics card.


regards,        v   v  **************************************
Rob K. Williams        (. .)  *  AmigaDOS:  The OS my Pentium 100  *
a.k.a. scorpio          8    *  wants to run, when it grows up!   *
LIGHTWAVE RULES!    @_|    **************************************

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From: [e-mail] (Mark van der Molen)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Plugins for amiga list ?
Date: 30 Apr 1996 00:16:43 GMT
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Well the subjects says it all i think...

Anyone got a list of available plugins for amiga LW4.0 ? If so please
post/mail the list.

Mark





<tsb>Brought to you by [e-mail]....Amiga 1200/020 28 mhz, 4 meg
<sb> fast, 2 meg chip memory,two 250 meg harddrives, Epson stylus printer,
<sb> 2x Cdrom drive, 1942 monitor, dynalink modem ElvisP on #amiga, THOR 2.22
<tsb>Random tag line coming up...

      Top 25 programmers excuses #11
      Yes yes, it will be ready in time.


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From: [e-mail] (Mark van der Molen)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: WAV to MOTION envelope.... any way to do it?
Date: 30 Apr 1996 00:16:45 GMT
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On 27-Apr-96 16:43:34  Ken Schmitt ([e-mail]) wrote :
>is there anything that can scan a sound file, and turn the VU into a
>motion envelope?
>it could be used for syncing voice to motions, explosions, disco
>lights, and any number of other things.


For amiga there's morion master which comes with a program that does exactly
what you need, dunno if there's such a thing for pc

Mark



<tsb>Brought to you by [e-mail]....Amiga 1200/020 28 mhz, 4 meg
<sb> fast, 2 meg chip memory,two 250 meg harddrives, Epson stylus printer,
<sb> 2x Cdrom drive, 1942 monitor, dynalink modem ElvisP on #amiga, THOR 2.22
<tsb>Random tag line coming up...

      IBM=I Buy Macintosh....... Amiga=Why buy Macintosh.....just get yourself
acopy
 of shapeshifter


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From: [e-mail] (TyPhoto)
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Have you seen my new site? I used Caligari for most of the buttons
and I am now building a site for Lightwave 3D. Check it out!

http://www.evansville.net/~typhoto
- or -
http://users.aol.com/typhoto/

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From: BJ <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:17:49 -0400
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MarcMylar wrote:
>
> In article <4lp9vj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (VirtualBri) writes:
>
> >I'd stay away from any job where you have to pay money to be a
> independant
> >contractor.
>
> However, if they pay you $750 for each model, then maybe the $500
> "investment" in their software is worth it.  Just a thought.
>
> -Marc

Mark:

I called on this to, just out of curiosity. The deal is that the software (I could have swor they said it was
Extream 3D in which case $500 would be a good investment from what I have heard) requires that you use a
PHOTOGRAH of an object to model from then it uses the Photo for the texture map. Great concept, exept YOU are
responsible for taking and digitizing the photos. this sudenly becomes a not s cool thing. They also have a
list of the object that they are looing for.

So what happens when they want the space shuttel? Drive out to Edwards or Kennedy or wherever it happens to be
that week. Or what if they want the Empire state building?

It's a scam! or It's way to much of an investment of my time.

Brad Hayes

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From: [e-mail] (John Gregor)
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>>What's this about AMIGA Technologies being sold to an american cable box
>>manufacturer? Does anybody care? Does it matter?

It might matter to both of the remaining Amiga users.

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here I am again.. the original poster.. I'd like to kill this thread
because it's getting a bit violent in here.. All I wanted to hear was
someone with a personal experience with each and a comparison. I know they
don't compare but if you were in my situation would you take this
opportunity.

                    thanks for all of the info
                        joe
                        [e-mail]


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I have a great alternative to expensive output devices for sale. It's
the Quadrant Q-motion video i/o board. It's PCI and can get down to
7:1 compression at 640x480. Also included is a Micropolis 4221 A/V Gold
SCSI 2 gig HD. Very good drive. And a Siig PCI fast SCSI2 controller. This
card is VERY FAST! Better than Adeptec. Both cards are fully Bus Mastering
for exceptional performance. All warrenty cards and packages/documentation
are included.

NEW:
Q-motion $799 (Select Solutions)
SCSI Controller $190 (CompUsa)
Hard Drive $789 (Insight)

All three for $1500 obo, and shipped in US for free( split difference outside
of the US)

Ask any relevant questions, I will be glad to answer.
-John Sonedecker

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From: [e-mail] (John Gregor)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Glenn Saunders) says:

>The mortal Fernando Martins wrote:
>: If I remember correctly, the Amiga version is less expensive because it
>: doesn't have OpenGL support (for obvious reasons) nor multithreading
>: capabilities (for obvious reasons too!).
>
>Multithreading would be redundant....

Correct (on the redundant part).  It amazes me that so many
Amiga types fail to comprehend this.  They don't understand the
difference between multitasking and multithreading.

Multithreading, especially for rendering, is chiefly useful if
you have more than one CPU - it lets you render faster.  The
Amiga has just one (slooooow) CPU and thus a multithreaded
renderer would just render in two threads, each half as fast.
No point.

Now, on a dual P6, it'd be pretty nice to have, since each CPU
could run a render thread.


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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: reflecting Lensflears
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 12:01:14 GMT
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In article <4m1reg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Timperley) wrote:
>I'm pretty sure that There is no way to get Lens flears (or glows) to render in
> refected materials, how is one to generate
>mirror balls, get that glint off a passing car bumper, or render sparkes on the
> water???
>
>These effects occur in mirrior surfaces in real life, way can't LW???
>
Lens flares are a post rendering effect so they will not reflect and I don't
think any software will render them (yet).

A glint off a passing car bumper would come from a hard specular highlight,
not from a lens flare.

Sparkles off water would also be hard specular highlights with a fair amount
of reflection as well. Any sparkles wuold be due to the movement of the water,
so if you create ripples in your water surface, you should get the sparkles
that you want.

If you want a star filter effect on the water, you are talking a different
situation again ...

Try to think more about what real life is doing rather than a fake effect and
usually Lightwave will follow. A lens flare only comes from a camera being
pointed directly into a very intense light source.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

The Librarian Rules! - OOOK!
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From: [e-mail] (Dean Waskowiak)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: FS: AVID Media Composer 1000 System
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:49:06 GMT
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AVID Media Composer 1000, Power Mac 8100/100, Expansion Chassis,
18 gig drive system,48 MB RAM, 2-20" Mitsubishi Diamond Scan Monitors,
Power Mac 5.51 software, AVR 3, 25, 26, & 27. $45,500 or Best Offer.

Contact [e-mail], or call Dean at [phone].


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From: KM <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Graphics Job Offer
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:19:42 -0700
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WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER


3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company

searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist

in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.

(Building 3D Geometry Only)

System Requirements

486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
IBM PC or compatable
Super VGA Color Monitor
Running Windows 3.1 or better


For more info call Tracy or Robin U.S 800/455-3558

Outside U.S 818/865-8210

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WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER


3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company

searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist

in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.

(Building 3D Geometry Only)

System Requirements

486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
IBM PC or compatable
Super VGA Color Monitor
Running Windows 3.1 or better


For more info call Tracy or Robin U.S 800/455-3558

Outside U.S 818/865-8210

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WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER


3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company

searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist

in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.

(Building 3D Geometry Only)

System Requirements

486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
IBM PC or compatable
Super VGA Color Monitor
Running Windows 3.1 or better


For more info call Tracy or Robin U.S 800/455-3558

Outside U.S 818/865-8210

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Justin Austin)
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>>is there anything that can scan a sound file, and turn the VU into a
>>motion envelope?
>>it could be used for syncing voice to motions, explosions, disco
>>lights, and any number of other things.
>
>
>For amiga there's morion master which comes with a program that does
exactly
>what you need, dunno if there's such a thing for pc


The Pc version is called scene machine by the same company
but I dont know if it was ever released.


--
M.Austin

I've twice drowned
thrice let knives rake my nitty-gritty
quit the country that bore and nursed me
those who forgot me would make a city
broken eggs make me grieve
the omelet though, makes me vomit
but until brown clay has been crammed down my larnyx
Only gratitude will be gushing from it

There is nothing more permanent than black
It is what unleashes letters
or Carmens' breast
It is why opponents of change
hit their mattresses fully dressed

J. brodsky
1940-1996

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From: [e-mail] (Creative Visions)
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Subject: NAB: DRACO info???
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Just got my video systems mag. and on the new products page it shows a
new nonlinear workstation by DraCo Systems

The article says:Features compression rates from 50:1 to 2:1; built
around the Motorola 68060 processor, incorporates optional DEC Alpha
co-processor, delivers CCIR 601 standard 720x480 resolution, 60
feilds/second Digital Betacam quality, unlimited layers of video,
frame-accurate DVE's, real-time rendering and 16-bit DAT-quality sterio
audio; maximum data rate is 333kb/frame over SCSI-2; will move 30MB/s
using DraCo's disk array software; comes with S-video and composite input
and output connectors; additonal inputs and outputs include D-1,
component, uncompressed digital and compressed digital for the new
DV(IEEE-1394) format; ships with MovieShop software; runs AmigaDOS for
MovieShop; has a direct plug-in slot for any PC or Pentium-based computer
board.

Sounds bitchin' How much? anyone see this thing in action?? speed?? can
this be an AMIGA/PENTIUM/ALPHA computer????



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What greg said. (GT aka William Teegarden)


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I am buying an P5166 system and still looking for a good monitor for
around $400.00.  can you suggest some models? thx

Emmanuel

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Well, I finally got the INFLY script for the PC to work in compiling
iff's to FLYERCLIPS.  Since I don't have a Perception, I've used
TWINEXPRESS which is shareware for porting files from the PC to the
AMIGA (not the speediest---but it get's the job done)!  Thanks NewTek
for making this available...now if ya'll could just make it a little
easier by allowing us to select save as FlyerClip from LightWave
(Intel)---I'd be even happier!  Then again, this is a major timesaver
over sending the files to the Amiga and then compiling as a clip!

A very happy Flyer & LightWave owner!  :)
--
________________________________________________________________________
Lance Gray ([e-mail]) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped**

 "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed,
  for the spirit of GOD rests on you."  1 Peter 14
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From: [e-mail] (MarcMylar)
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Subject: Re: Modeler question..?
Date: 30 Apr 1996 00:48:16 -0400
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In article <4lqggb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kurt Harmel)
writes:

> I've also had problem's with letters like "O,s" and "P,s".
>The holes are often covered by the forward facing polygons. I've had to
>create objects to either make boolean subtractions or else create new
>polygon faces for these letters by selecting the appropriate points. I'm
not
>sure
>why this is a problem for Lightwave, maybe someone else knows why.
>
>

This is a bug.  I understand this is fixed in V. 5.0 and Rev. D of V. 4.0.

-Marc

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Campbell)
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Subject: Posters made from your computer art 24x36 $18+$5 shp
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Up to 36" wide possible.

More info at website.

http://www2.sungate.com/3dworld/index.html
[e-mail]

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Posters up to 36" wide however long possible.
24x36 $18
Photos put on T-shirts,mouse pads. send your files over the net
or by mail.
941-746-8076      [e-mail]

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From: Alex Wei <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Virtual Gallery
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:17:50 +0000
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We are looking for high end graphics(2D, 3D, Shockwave, Java etc) for our Virtual
Gallery. Computer artists will have a site on which thousands of viewers will see their
work. Sales from this is fine, however we cannot act as an agent. There is no fee in any
manner to display/sell/contract work. However, the only stipulation is that the work
be of exceptional quality. By maintaining a site that tailors to quality CG, those seeking
computer artists for film/CD-R's/print/advertisement etc. will know where to come!
http://vassun.vassar.edu/~alwei/gallery.htm

For more information email
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From: [e-mail](William A. Mendez )
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Subject: Re: NT 4.0A Beta
Date: 30 Apr 1996 04:28:25 GMT
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>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>Has anyone managed to get LW 4.0c to work with NT4.0A beta. I can get
the
>modeler to work but layout kicks in with a blank
>>grey screen, waits for 2 secs and then shuts down and puts me back
into the
>program manger screen.
>>
>>
>>
>>Don...
>


I'am dual booting NT 3.51 SVCPK 4 and NT 4.0(1234)on my ALPHA and
Lightwave is running fine. I don't think there is a rev c for us yet.


Will Mendez

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Wait for 5?
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 00:17:49 GMT
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On 4/29/96 5:29PM, in message <4m3cc8$[e-mail]>, Adam Ives
Chrystie <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In <4m240j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dan Alexie)
> writes:
> >I'm not sure what I should do. I could wait for LW 5 or I could get 4 now and
> >then the upgrade later. I live in Australia and I would prefer 5, but I don't
> >want to wait for ever!

> welp.. it is probably gonna cost you the same no matter what you do
> for example,
> LightWave 4.0 is usa is around $800
> the upgrade to 5.0 is $595?

A excerpt from Newtek NAB Anouncment:

"NewTek Announces LightWave 3D Version 5.0
Availability and Pricing
LightWave 3D 5.0 is available through more than 200 dealers and 25
distributors worldwide. U.S. list price for LightWave 3D 5.0 upgrade is $495.
The complete system is priced at $1495."

> total cost if you buy lw 4.0 and then upgrade = $1395
> LightWave 5.0 cost around that much..so the savigngs is not giant you
> might not be savig at all..dunno what prices are like down is australia...




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From: [e-mail]
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On 4/29/96 5:29PM, in message <4m3cc8$[e-mail]>, Adam Ives
Chrystie <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In <4m240j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dan Alexie)
> writes:
> >I'm not sure what I should do. I could wait for LW 5 or I could get 4 now and
> >then the upgrade later. I live in Australia and I would prefer 5, but I don't
> >want to wait for ever!

> welp.. it is probably gonna cost you the same no matter what you do
> for example,
> LightWave 4.0 is usa is around $800
> the upgrade to 5.0 is $595?

A excerpt from Newtek NAB Anouncment:

"NewTek Announces LightWave 3D Version 5.0
Availability and Pricing
LightWave 3D 5.0 is available through more than 200 dealers and 25
distributors worldwide. U.S. list price for LightWave 3D 5.0 upgrade is $495.
The complete system is priced at $1495."

> total cost if you buy lw 4.0 and then upgrade = $1395
> LightWave 5.0 cost around that much..so the savigngs is not giant you
> might not be savig at all..dunno what prices are like down is australia...




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From: Charles Blaquière <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Recommendations for Best OpenGL video card??
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:02:37 -0400
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Nate Hayes wrote:

> As far as I know, Matrox still does not have software drivers
> working that enable 3D support under Win95 or WinNT. Also, unless you
> get an 8MB card, you'll be limited to 16-bit color depth at 800x600 or
> 640x480.

Actually, if you leave the Z buffer enabled, but turn off
double-buffering, you gain higher colour and spatial resolutions.
For example, my 4M Millennium only goes up to 640x480 in
32 bitplanes per pixel (bpp), and 800x600 in 16bpp. Without
double buffering, maximum resolutions are:

16 bpp: 882 x 1152
32 bpp: 800 x  600

As far as actual OpenGL acceleration, wellll... let's say I don't
think I've installed things correctly, or the OpenGL demos I used
weren't compatible, Suffice it to say, I haven't seen
acceleration, and promptly went back to more productive things.
(I don't currently use any OpenGL software)

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From: [e-mail](Michael K Osborne)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Master One)
writes:
>
>On Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:44:55 -0400, "Barbara A. Graham"
<[e-mail]>
>wrote:
>
>>;}Bob Clary wrote:
>>;}>
>>;}> Once again I see people getting emotional and calling each other
names
>>;}> over computer software. Come one guy's, it's a bunch of bits.
This is
>>;}> a pile of ephemeral ones and zeros. Isn't there more important
stuff
>>;}> to get worked up over.
>>;}>
>>;}> The folks who say OS/2 sucks are not idiots, it does suck. The
folks
>>;}> who say Win95 sucks aren't morons it also sucks.
>>;}>
>>;}> OS/2 sucks, Win95 sucks, MVS sucks, VMS sucks, MACs suck, PCs
suck -
>>;}> it all sucks.
>>;}> -
>>;}> This is what I get paid for. It's my job to take this sucky stuff
and
>>;}> make it  work for my clients. To me the best operating system is
the
>>;}> one I'm getting paid on.
>>;}>
>>;}> OS/2 is great, Win95 is great, MVS is great, VMS is great, MACs
are
>>;}> great, PCs are great - it's all great.
>>;}> -
>>;}> When I've done my job!
>>;}>
>>;}> Discussing technical aspects of one operating system over another
is
>>;}> an important part of evaluating and deciding on an operating
system,
>>;}> but it's not the whole picture.
>>;}>
>>;}> The choice of products involves lot's of issues. While one
operating
>>;}> system may be technologically advanced over another, market share
and
>>;}> availability of apps may be an overiding factor. Other things
like
>>;}> existing expertise and legacy applications could be another
issue.
>>;}>
>>;}> ---------------------
>>;}> Bob Clary
>>;}> Enterprise Consulting
>>;}> [e-mail]
>>;}> ---------------------
>>;}
>>;}Bob,
>>;}
>>;}You are 100% correct; they are all great and they all suck.  I am
having a love/hate
>>;}relationship with Windows 95.
>>;}
>>;}Nothing is perfect, is it?
>>;}
>>;}Barbara A. Graham
>>;}MagicWords
>>;}
>>;}http://www.nni.com/~magicwords
>
>    Like the old saying goes if it is bug free then it's to old!!!!

win95 sucks it's like microsoft tried to coppy mac o/s

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From: [e-mail] (Video111)
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Subject: 1394 DV card for the Amiga???????
Date: 30 Apr 1996 02:50:35 -0400
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Does anyone knnow of a DV serial digital IEEE1394 card that any
manufacturer might be developing for inputting DDV video into the
flyer????

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From: Karma <[e-mail]>
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Kreg Branden wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Tim Branan) wrote:
>
> >A lot of clients want very realistic motion, not animated looking
> >motion, though. If you are doing humans, or real characters, then most
> >people want to see real movement. that is very difficult to do by
> >hand, and also very expensive.
>
>     Yes the time and money involved is large, but to fall back to JP,
> it CAN be done without procedurals.  It just takes talent and hours
> (sometimes months) of tweaking.
>    I'm all too aware that budgets and schedules don't always allow for
> the animator to merge with the supreme godhead of character animation
> and produce a masterpiece, so yes procedurals can be useful.
> Especially if they're extremely tweakable (as is Biped).  But I still
> prefer the 'art' over the 'science'.
>
>   Kreg Branden
>   -  Meme-X  -


In all honesty, how can you say that you prefer "art" over "sience?"
Are you still using natural coal on rawhide to make exciting animated
flip-books for your friends?  No.  As technology advances, even more
things will be automated, and even more still will be discovered.  The
easier things get for the animator doesn't necessarily mean that the
animator works less, or doesn't work as hard.  Newer technology just
lets him/her get past certain mundane actions, and gives him/her the
ability to do more spectacular things that he/she might not have had the
time to do before.


Matt Rampias
Production, animation, design.
[e-mail]

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From: Karma <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Motion Blur in LW
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Alan Chan wrote:

>
> In many cases, I have found motion blur is not an alternative to field rendering
> for smooth motion. Fast-moving objects in particular can look annoyingly jerky,
> even with dithered blur. If I increase the amount of blur and/or number of passes,
> I get nicely blurred frames that still look jerky when played. Plus, too much blur
> simply looks unnatural and *still* is jerky. I've seen this in extreme cases with
> film as well, but it seems film can be pushed much farther before this occurs. I'm
> not sure why.

> --
> Andrew Hofman
> LumaQuest Productions
> [e-mail]
> 513-643-7333


Field rendering and motion blur are inherrantly different.  Field rendering interlaces the
picture and judges a simulated 3/2 pulldown, giving the video res frames a very solid look.
Motion blur, by using multi-frame iterpelation smoothes out motion caused by too fast a
movement that would otherwise make the object or environment look stroby.  Both of these
used in conjunction at video res look great on a TV, but animations made for film res 24fps
make field rendering really pointless.  High moion blur, dithered in 4.0, should do the
trick perfectly.

Matt

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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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On 4/26/96 10:10AM, in message <4lr01a$[e-mail]>, Steph
Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> : Lightwave animators can earn a much higher average salary than Alias
> animators.
> :  Someone with Lightwave AND Alias skills (assuming the talent, of course)
> would
> : be VERY attractive to an employer.
> : --
> :                       -=Fred=-
>
> While you would think this is true, Alias animators make more money than
> Lightwave animators, primarily because there are fewer of them and access
> to the equipment and software is a lot harder to come by. It probably
> depends on the type of work.
>
> People that set up Lightwave studios are interested in saving money, and
> they aren't about to give artists the money they saved.
>
> People who are working independently I'm not certain about. The going
> rate for someone who has their own Indigo Impact and Alias PA 7+ with
> Amazon Paint is between $3,000 and $5,000 per week, freelance, in the LA
> area.
>
> At the really high end, the SGI experience gets you a higher salary, and
> experience in one high end package is often enough to get you hired using
> another high-end package. In SGI shops, Lightwave experience will get you
> in, but you will start at a junior level.
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> Steph Greenberg, 3DMD                 CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon,
> [e-mail]                Chiropracter, and Podiatrist.
>
> ------------------

Those are pretty weak figures for Alias freelance.  I have made more than that
doing DPaint graphics.  Those figures are what most Lightwave people charge PER
SHOT, so assuming they turn in a couple of shots per week--not unlikely for
TV--they can make twice as much, and having an Alpha means they can actually
deliver that many shots (or more).   You are also wrong about the quantity of
Alias animators.  We get TONS of demo reels every week.  Schools such as Art
Center in Pasadena are churning out more animators all the time.  There isn't a
glut of animators yet, but there will be soon.  What there really ISN'T is an
abundance of GOOD animators, and this has nothing to do with what software they
use.

I know from EXPERIENCE, not hearsay, that in "Hollywood", Lighwave animators
make, on average, $300-500 more than SGI based animators.  Once you get into
the really top top levels, anything goes.  Yes, at SGI shops LW might get you
in as a junior, but how many SGI-only shops are left?
--
                      -=Fred=-
        Lightwave animator: Digital Domain


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On 4/29/96 1:54PM, in message <4m3a9c$[e-mail]>, Steph
Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

> William Teegarden <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : Imaging, Area 51.  Before you misconstrue what I said before, I
> : mentioned that TOP alias talent will of course make more than top LW
> : talent, but rank in file, in the trenches alias animators make less
> : then there LW counterparts.  Why?  Because LW is still a niche player
> : in Hollywood.  They're sort of the Prisms of TV, in the sense that they
> : are an elite group who have almost all of the TV visual effects market
> : cornered.
>
> Are we comparing Amblin, Area 51, and Foundation salaries, the top in
> the LW world as I know it, to Digital Domain, Sony Imageworks, Disney,
> Dreamworks, Warner Bros, Metrolight, VIFX, Boss Films, PDI, ILM,
> etc? I mean, by your definition anyone employed at these places *are*
> top talent.

Can we please leave VIFX out of any list of top quality CGI houses?  I have
seen their work.

By the way, perhaps you are not aware of the NT group at Digital Domain
currently running Lighwave?  As for your price listing of the average Alias
animator in "Hollywood" (72,000), the average Lightwave figure is around
$91,000 (at 52 weeks).   I'll stick with Lightwave for awhile.

--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: Karma <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Best animation format!
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What would be the best Animation format to use for 640X480 size
animation in 24bit?
>
> I do not have a Mpeg Board!  I'm running NT...
>
> Mpeg, Avi, FLC ???  What format and what software would I need to assemble these files!
>
> Is there any Software Mpeg encoders that support more than 352X288 size frames ??
>
> Thanks for your help!


The best format IMHO is quicktime.  The codec should be readilly
available for NT.  If you don't want any loss, and you're going to
video, use cinepak compression at 100%.  The frames are then lossless,
and easily droppable into, say, Adobe Premier.  I personally would stay
away from mpeg, very slow, very lossy, and not as supported as
Quicktime.


Matt Rampias
Production, animation, design.
[e-mail]

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On 4/26/96 10:39PM, in message <4lsf3u$[e-mail]>, Richard Garrison
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>
> I don't know where this guy get's his info. But Alias and an SGI will
> take you much further than the latter. If you want to do video work
> then either will get the job done, (of course Alias will do quite a
> bit more) if you want to get into film work then Alias is the clear
> choice.
>

Well I get this info from personal experience.  As far as film work, I'm doing
it now.  On Lightwave.  What are you doing?
--
                      -=Fred=-
        Lightwave animator: Digital Domain


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On 4/26/96 10:39PM, in message <4lsf3u$[e-mail]>, Richard Garrison
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>
> I don't know where this guy get's his info. But Alias and an SGI will
> take you much further than the latter. If you want to do video work
> then either will get the job done, (of course Alias will do quite a
> bit more) if you want to get into film work then Alias is the clear
> choice.
>

Well I get this info from personal experience.  As far as film work, I'm doing
it now.  On Lightwave.  What are you doing?
--
                      -=Fred=-
        Lightwave animator: Digital Domain


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On 4/25/96 10:15PM, in message <4lpm4t$[e-mail]>, InstntGuts
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> <The Pix I've seen (I >believe< it was Max), the one with the cross?
> Anyway, I'm with Mark:  not impressed.>
>
> Sorry to hear that. The image you're talking about was done by Martin
> Foster, a 3D artist at Metrolight and Sony Imageworks. He created it with
> a very early beta of MAX, and loaded a bitmap into a projector spotlight
> with volumetrics turned on. The stylized "painterly" look was deliberate;
> it was never intended to be a photoreal image. (As a matter of fact,
> Martin was specifically striving to have it *not* look like a 3D
> rendering, but rather 2D art.) Having seen the original 3D file (which is
> amazingly simple), I think the image is quite striking.
>
> There are other MAX images and animations using volumetrics that are as
> good as anything I've seen in Alias (and yes, I've used both programs, as
> well as 3DS4 and Softimage).
>
> -- Jon


I'd really like to see something done with MAX that WAS trying to look truly
photoreal (so you can't tell it's CGI).
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (Denis Loubet)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fusion Films) writes:

>Coming from a strictly film background I can tell you that one of the
>main reasons that I got involved with LW was the fact that it worked like
>a traditional film shoot.  And part of this was having ONE camera.  LW
>makes it easy for someone like me - a person with NO computer background
>- to create terrific animations based on a background in film production.

>Having multiple cameras is an excuse to get lazy.  Why relight for a
>particular angle when you can just plop a camera down and forget about
>it?  Why even think about the construction of your shots before hand?
>Just stick 5 or 6 cameras all around your scene with different lenses and
>shoot whatever happens.

>LW was made for filmmakers, not button pushers.

So you would not like to have a handy feature because stupid people would
abuse it? Why give stupid people that much control over you? Suppose -- just
suppose -- someone has the skill to plan their scene with multiple cameras in
mind, and do it well. Would they suddenly lose all their status as a filmmaker
because you think it's lazy?

I don't think so. If you think handy tools make the artist lazy, am I to
assume that you use a hand cranked camera and black and white film? I mean, a
motorized camera is for lazy filmmakers who don't have the skill to control
the frame rate themselves, and color film is a flashy crutch for sissies who
can't handle the subtle nuances of grainy black and white.

It's the artists vision, not the tools, that make the difference.

Denis Loubet
Senior Artist / Animator
Origin Systems Inc.


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[e-mail] (me) wrote:

>I have a horror story for your. Yes, I run OS/2 Warp. Three weeks
>ago I purchased a 1.62 GIG drive. Afer installing the drive, I divided
>it into four parts (2 are HPFS, one FAT and one EXT2) After formating
>the HPFS partition I thought I would try to move the programs off of
>the first drive (less than 150 meg) so I vould free up some space. I
>marrily began gragging the needed dir fron drive C: and dropped them
>onto the F: drive. After moveing a half dozen dirs I went to try to update
>th path to the icons. To my horror, the paths were already updated!

>I hate it when an OS does something as powerful as knowing when apps are
>moved on the machine. :)

hahaha Very true. I've told people similar stories when I've tried to
explain to them why Win95's desktop is _NOT_ object oriented. If you'd
tried the same thing with Win95 you'd have spent hours updating all of
those stupid little "shortcuts" (which do nothing more than eat up
valuable HD space, one cluster at a time).

>--

>Keith
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]
>http://www.jaxnet.com/~kschin/




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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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On Apr 29, 1996 13:54:04 in article <Re: LW vs Alias>, 'Steph Greenberg
<[e-mail]>' wrote:

>: SGI's.  As far as rendering output, LW's AS good as Alias.  What it
>
>No it isn't. LW still has some quality that looks computery, no matter
>how much time you spend lighting. Oddly, Softimage's stock renderer

What recent  film work has been done with Alias? I want to see some
examples of the output you are talking about.

--
M C L -

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From: [e-mail] (Al Mejias)
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Subject: Re: Graphics Job Offer
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Stop posting the same message. We got it the first ten times.

Al

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On Apr 29, 1996 13:54:04 in article <Re: LW vs Alias>, 'Steph Greenberg
<[e-mail]>' wrote:

>I agree with SGI's days being numbered, but first the NT 3D programs
>have to be better than SI/NT is now. If LW takes as agressive an approach

>as Max to building an open system, and all three programs try to outdo
>each other, and Microsoft convinces more SGI vendors like Parallax,
>Amazon Paint, Prisms, Taarna/Digits 'n' Art, Discreet Logic etc to
>switch sides, then SGI is dead in the workstation class.
>
>Currently, the body of NT programs is simply not as full featured as
>the SGI programs.

I want to make sure I am hearing this correctly. SoftImage NT is a subset
of the version on the SGI? Is it equivalent to the basic version on SGI,
where you purchase additional modules as needed. If Nt version is a basic
version, are the additional modules available for NT?

--
M C L -

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Palevich)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Settings for 60fps on Miro DC-20?
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I don't know if you ever got an answer to your question.

I got the Miro DC20 to output clean 60fps by doing this:

(1) In the Lightwave Camera Panel, I set:
    Basic Resolution: "Medium Resolution (Video)
    Custom Size Width 608 Height 456
    Pixel Aspect Ratio Square Pixels
    Field Rendering and Reverse Fields are checked (The last seems
important).

(2) I rendered to tga files.
(3) I loaded the tga sequence into Premiere
(4) I set the file clip to be "Maintain Aspect Ratio".
(5) I used the "DC20 High Resolution - TV Clip" preset.

The two things that seemed the trickiest were to check the "Reverse
Fields" checkbox in Lightwave, and to set the "Maintain Aspect Ratio"
for the clip. I only had to do the maintain aspect ratio because I was
rendering the "Blade" and the "Offworld" animations, both of which are
in letter-box format.

By the way, when I was working on this, I found it very helpful to
render a test animation of a 30 frame spinning box, -- it only took a
few minutes to render, so I was able to test out many different
combinations of settings.

Good luck!


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> I'd really like to see something done with MAX that WAS trying to look truly
> photoreal (so you can't tell it's CGI).

And I would like to see something done in Lightwave.

Jeff
--
Sr. Programmer 3
Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Emerging Technology Studio

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From: Adam Chrystie <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: !!!!!! Look out for Avid Media Group !!! You never receive your issue or compulation book!!!!
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:10:45 -0700
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Welp, this is complete bullshit (not true) . I and MANY people have
just received thier compilation books.

In fact, i wrote two articles..and they are in the book too..and my book
came wiht the cd too. it is all there buddy boy...remember your in
europe and the book is publishd in usa..the mail is not a miracle..it
takes 2-3 weeks for package mail to europe from here. Heck! If you are
in eastern europe it could take MONTHS!..

Adam Chrystie
[e-mail]
www2.ucsc.edu/~adamchry

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:14:25 -0700
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To: KM <[e-mail]>

KM wrote:
>
> WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER
>
> 3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company
>

Yawn, this wreaks of FISH....as in a scam or slave labour type
opperation..perhpas the poster will elaborate on the program fully??

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Date: 30 Apr 1996 05:02:58 -0400
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Please stop posting the same message 3 times and then also posting it
every other day. You are starting to become very annoying and a nuisance
on this newsgroup. I believe it would be prudent of you to stop this and
get on with your life.
-Emile Edwin Smith
-An about to graduate student in Visual Arts
-Film/Video senior
-University of California at San Diego
-Anyone need a janitor?

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: Re: LW scenes amiga format to pc format???
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> If you mean that you want to change the file paths within the Amiga
> scene, I have found that a simple search and replace in a text editor
> works well.  Keep an extra copy of the scene file to be safe.

I use a program called "Scene Manager", a shareware thing written by
Peter Wittage and CHris Hurley. It runs on the Amiga and works fine.

I think it's avialable on the Newtek site, or Tomahawk...

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In <4m2vim$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dennis Grant) writes:

>How can I get Layout to run on a Super72 Highres-interlaced (800X600) screen?

>--------------------------
>Dennis Grant
>[e-mail]
>http://www.cycor.ca/TCave/

Get a screen promoter off Aminet. I use PPrefs and run Layout on the
above screen mode...there is a problem with the colour display that
comes up when you are changing a surface colour though in that it just
doesn't come up at all...otherwise Layout works the same as normal.

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From: Todd Carlson <[e-mail]>
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Hi,
I have 3D Studio R4 with Yost Disk 1-7 and many other IPAS's and am
looking for a fair trade for Lightwave or Softimage.  E-mail me and
questions.

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From: [e-mail] (David Oxley)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: FAST FPS 60 Board
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:34:37 +0100
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jair Bobys <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Anybody have any experience with the FAST fps 60 board?

This is a reply I sent to a guy on a listserv I frequent.  He asked a
similar question.  Hope my reply helps.

>One last question: how is the quality of the Fast system?
>Is it cheaper than a PVR?

The FPS is cheaper than the PVR.  I think the PVR is about 2000 UKP and
you have to buy a dedicated hard drive.  I couldn't afford that much.  The
FPS cost me 580 UKP and it uses my IDE drive.  For quality, you probably
get what you pay for.  My FPS produces "VHS quality" animations; I suspect
the PVR would produce broadcast quality.

You get Adobe Premiere 4.0 LE (and Photoshop 2.5, and Xing MPEG encoder)
with the FPS, which you use to compile frames into an AVI that plays back
through the card.  Animations are smooth and you don't notice the jaggies
much.  Occasionally you get the odd frame dropped, but it's not that
noticeable.  MJPEG compression is fairly good.  I rendered 300 Targa
frames that consumed 95MB, but the AVI was only about 5MB.

The other good part is that for animations, you only need to render at
half video resolution, 384x288 (PAL) which cuts down considerably on
rendering time.

For comparison, I rendered the same anim last night at video res, 768x566,
which took about 400MB!  I'm going to compile the AVI tonight to see how
the board handles that much data and whether the extra resolution gives
noticeably better quality.

I had DCTV on my Amiga and the DCTV cost about the same then as the FPS
does now.  DCTV relied on my Amiga's ANIM format and produced acceptable
results with limited bit depth (it was amazing just how much colour it
could produce from just 3 bit planes, come to think of it!), but when a
lot was going on in the animation, the frame rate dropped right down.
With the FPS, you set it to 25 frames per second, and it seems to keep up
with that rate irrespective of what's happening in the scene.

Video capture is also quite good.  You can capture from Premiere or, for a
more controllable method, Fast supply a capture program that lets you
determine the best quality or best frame rate for capture.  You can also
capture sound if you have a sound card.  Premiere edits sound as well as
video, so you can have hours of fun.  I just wish I had the time to do
half the things the FPS+Premiere are capable of :-)

I only bought it for compiling computer animations, but it's scope is much
wider.  I think I need another hard drive that I could dedicate to
animations.  Hmm, now how do I get that one past my wife?

Best regards,

|David Oxley, Logica UK|SH5/HR 75 Hampstead Rd|[phone]x1800|
|<[e-mail]> |London NW1 2PL England|[phone](fax)|
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Computer graphics Job Offer
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BJ wrote:

> I called on this to, just out of curiosity. The deal is that the
> software (I could have swor they said it was Extream 3D in which case
> $500 would be a good investment from what I >have heard) requires that
> you use a PHOTOGRAH of an object to model from then it uses the Photo
> for the texture map. Great concept, exept YOU are responsible for
> taking and digitizing the photos. this sudenly becomes a not s cool
> thing.

Anyone know if Extreme3D can do this (modeling from photos)?  Last time
I checked, a company called EOS was selling a similar program called
PhotoModeler for ~$3000.

hammed



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From: [e-mail] (Eric Haddix)
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John Gregor ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
:
: >>What's this about AMIGA Technologies being sold to an american cable box
: >>manufacturer? Does anybody care? Does it matter?
:
: It might matter to both of the remaining Amiga users.

Both?? Oh never mind...you're on a freenet and you're from
Cleveland...that explains it all....L8a


P.S. That's mindless, meaningless, prejudiced sarcasm to match yours,
how ya like me now...:)



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From: [e-mail] (Derek Lang)
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Subject: Re: LWPro Compilation Book
Date: 30 Apr 1996 07:26:53 -0400
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In article <4l68ja$[e-mail]>,
Adam Ives Chrystie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>still have not gotten it while people in other countries have already
>gotten theirs..gotta love teh mystery of teh mail game :)

I ordered my copy back in December or so and I haven't receved anything
in the mail.  Someone was mentioning something about seminar coupons?
Where are these seminars being held? or are these videotapes?

Derek<<<<<


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From: [e-mail] (Derek Lang)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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In article <4ljtht$[e-mail]>,
Chris Golchert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Stranahan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Much better deal....although, with all the delays in 4.0 software I'd
>: think they throw LW 5.0 as incentive to sell the thing.....
>
>Or should have delayed 4.1 until they could stick 5.0 on the CDs
>
>Chris
Are you implying that lightwave 5.0 comes on floppies?  (if so how many?)

Derek<<<<<

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From: [e-mail] (Rlszamm)
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that fish smell is there for a reason.
I've heard many nasty things from people who never got paid!!!

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From: TL Westgate <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Graphics Job Offer AVOID
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:21:59 -0400
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KM wrote:
>
> WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER
>
> 3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company
>
> searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist
>
> in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.
>
> (Building 3D Geometry Only)
>
> System Requirements
>
> 486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
> IBM PC or compatable
> Super VGA Color Monitor
> Running Windows 3.1 or better
>
> For more info call Tracy or Robin U.S 800/455-3558
>
> Outside U.S 818/865-8210

AVOID THIS SCAM! They want $500 up front! This is B.S.
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From: [e-mail] (Gaven Eogan)
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In <4m3qib$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Gregor) writes:



>>>What's this about AMIGA Technologies being sold to an american cable box
>>>manufacturer? Does anybody care? Does it matter?

>It might matter to both of the remaining Amiga users.

Comments like that are beginning to piss me off...

There are alot more Amiga owners and Amigas in use than there are
Silicon Graphics owners, or Sun workstation owners, or NT owners...

I would really like to tell you where to go with your snide and elitist
comment but netiquette prevents me from using such four letter words...


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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Nate Hayes wrote:
>
> Steph Greenberg wrote:
> > This feature can change your entire way of working, and encourages fast
> > cuts instead of lengthy one camera shots. Based on the reels I've seen,
> > few people go through the trouble of multiple cuts, but if it were a
> > standard feature, I think more people would take advantage of it.
> >
>
> This is probalbly because you are seeing work from people who
> think like animators, not editors. Try this: render the first 15 seconds
> of a scene from a camera position. Now move the camera somewhere else
> and render the last 10 seconds of the scene with an additional 5 seconds
> of overlap from the first render. Now you've got 2 clips from different
> cameras that are 15 seconds long with 5 seconds of overlap. Use that 5
> seconds of overlap for a simple dissolve in Adobe Premiere and voila!
> Now you've got a 20 second animation from 2 cameras broken up by a nice
> dissolve. EASY.
>
> Nate------------

Now that we have a workaround for multi-cameras in LW, I wonder how you would simulate
MetaNurbs in 3DSMAX? ;)

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Denis Loubet wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fusion Films) writes:
>
> >Coming from a strictly film background I can tell you that one of the
> >main reasons that I got involved with LW was the fact that it worked like
> >a traditional film shoot.  And part of this was having ONE camera.  LW
> >makes it easy for someone like me - a person with NO computer background
> >- to create terrific animations based on a background in film production.
>
> >Having multiple cameras is an excuse to get lazy.  Why relight for a


-----------------

BTW, Softimage|3D NT doesn't have multiple cameras and the workaround is to set up multiple
nulls for camera and interest and using the dope sheet, change the null assignment of the camera on
the fly.  Now if LW had a dope sheet....(don't get me started) ;)

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Marlon Beltz wrote:
>
> On 21 Apr 1996 14:53:02 -0700, [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
> wrote:
>
> >Any of you folks get to see that 500Mhz Raptor 3 we were demonstrating in the
> >DeskStation booth at NAB?  That baby really screams!  A specific example I
> >recall off the top of my head... Load the Watership scene that came with 4.0
> >(in the Vehicles dir).  Turn off field rendering, turn on low AA, show while
> >rendering and full-screen display.  This beast did it in 11 seconds (while
> >playing the Perception card).  I'd be interested in results on your systems...
>
> Assuming that you are at 640x480 square pixels and all else the same
> my Dell 200mhz p6 did it in 31 seconds.  This computer only cost $5k.
> Hmm.

----------

Good point, plus you get to run all the other software that you need anyway, in 32 bit
mode(Photoshop, Elastic Reality, Real Impact, etc.)  Also remember, most software updates and
drivers usually appear for Intel first.

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scam scam scam

I heard of several people who "invested" there comments went something
like this:
The software was difficult and unreliable
3rd Dimension didn't pay!!!   appearantly they are very unorganized and
have a million reasons why your models are not correct or the one you
contracted to create has already been done.
mainly, no money was paid to contractors!

watch out

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From: brad prosise <[e-mail]>
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Well I finally got my toaster 4.1 upgrade more than a year after I
bought it. Several people told me that the cd rom for the amiga could be
a problem. I thought "its just another scsi device, thats no problem".
As it turns out you cant just ad a cd rom to the scsi chain and it work.
Now the dealer who I got 4.1 from say I have to buy ASIM software just
to get the drivers for amiga to do cd rom! BUY DRIVERS? This seems
strange. Have anyone else had this problem and how did you solve it?
thanks for any help or advice.
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Subject: Re: reflecting Lensflears
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[e-mail] (David Timperley) wrote:

>I'm pretty sure that There is no way to get Lens flears (or glows) to render in refected materials, how is one to generate
>mirror balls, get that glint off a passing car bumper, or render sparkes on the water???

>These effects occur in mirrior surfaces in real life, way can't LW???

You don't need lens flares to create any of the three effects you just
listed.   Lights, positioned correctly, will provide those kinds of
highlights.


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[e-mail] (Marlon Beltz) wrote:

>On 21 Apr 1996 14:53:02 -0700, [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
>wrote:

>>Any of you folks get to see that 500Mhz Raptor 3 we were demonstrating in the
>>DeskStation booth at NAB?  That baby really screams!  A specific example I
>>recall off the top of my head... Load the Watership scene that came with 4.0
>>(in the Vehicles dir).  Turn off field rendering, turn on low AA, show while
>>rendering and full-screen display.  This beast did it in 11 seconds (while
>>playing the Perception card).  I'd be interested in results on your systems...


>Assuming that you are at 640x480 square pixels and all else the same
>my Dell 200mhz p6 did it in 31 seconds.  This computer only cost $5k.
>Hmm.

Okay, assuming all things even, that's an increase of 282% in
rendering time.   If the frame on the Alpha system take 10 minutes
(some transparency can take care of that), then on the P6 it will take
28 minutes.   Multiply that 18 minute increase by 500 frames, and the
increase in rendering time is now 150 hours, or 6.25 days.

That's why I bought a Raptor 3. . .


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In article <4m2lnm$[e-mail]>, DENNY LEE ARMSTRONG <[e-mail]> says:
>
>I haven't received an issue since the beginning of the year. I call
>and they say they are going to ship but I don't ever see it.

I asked this question weeks ago and was told that the product would
ship April 25th. That's issue #6. They told us back in January that
because of other commitments, production would slow down for a couple of
issues. Well, it sure did. I hope they can get back on track and this
does not happen to often. It seems rather unprofessional to let new
projects interfere with ones that subscribers have already payed for.
That's my opinion. Still, I do enjoy the video's and I hope we will
see #6 in May.

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Went for a demo of Soft Image the other day. Boy, was I glad that
I went the Lightwave route. Soft Image seems like a pretty nice
program, much easier than 3D Studio and very much like Lightwave
in many respects. I was interested in it for the human animation
elements as it is the primary progam behind the REBOOT series here in
Vancouver. In all honesty, even though I am not an experienced S.I. user,
I did not see any thing it offered that Lightwave 5.0 should not be able
to do. The shocking thing was that the retailer wanted $12,000 for the
program, and the purchaser was required to pay $ 3,000 a year as an
extra maintenance fee for minor upgrades. I know it has a good reputation
as a program, and I also know the S.G.I people seem to have money to burn,
but how long can companies who produce products like these hope to survive?
Are they not pricing themselves out of existence?

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In article <1996Apr27.223518@cantva>, TCM <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In article <4lq803$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Noam
Ben-Ami) writes:
> > Load of bullshit. Most often, the programmers are the ones that do
most of the
> > work. Whoever thinks that the graphics are the hardest part knows
little about
> > neither games nor graphics.

> Art sort of progresses linearly, with programming you often have to
> dump the method and start over, sanity bending bug-hunts are another neat
> feature of programming.
>
> No offense to graphic artists - I do the odd bit of artwork so it's not a them
> vs us situation as far as I'm concerned, IMHO it's more boring than
> programming, but far less boring than a bug hunt (this is the bit where
> someone plugs Ada95 :)).

::sigh::  Okay.  I program, I do artwork.  I'm moderately good at both,
though I wouldn't consider myself to be a master of either.

First statement.  Graphics and programming are different things.  They
require totally different skills and talents.  They require totally
different areas of study to excel in.  I think we all know people who are
excellent at each, but have no skill at the other.  Trying to rate one as
being 'harder' than the other is silly.

Second.  Stating that one is more boring than the other is totally
subjective, of course.  It's a matter of what you're good at and enjoy.  I
get great satisfaction from tracking down and destroying those leaking
pointers (which I was getting in great numbers in my 3D engine, for a
while).  I also get an incredible amount of satisfaction from getting an
image to look _just right_.

Third.  Stating that art progresses linearly while programming might need
to be rewritten from scratch is ridiculous.  The only time that art
progresses linearly is when you have the whole project planned out in
advance, and progress along the image from start to finish.  This, in
practice, never happens.  You go back and fix things.  You discover that
your use of perspective didn't work, and you'll have to go back and redraw
a large portion of the image.  Interestingly enough, programming proceeds
linearly if you have the whole project planned out in advance, and
progress along the project from start to finish.  That is, of course
unless you find bugs and have to go back and fix things, or discover that
your use of pointers didn't work and you have to go back and rewrite a
large portion of your code.  In fact, any creative work (yes, programming
is a creative work) works in precisely this manner.

Finally..  In regards to the original point (how much of the money is the
artist entitled to), it depends on the game.  In a game like Myst, in
which the graphics are the focal point, the graphics are what the consumer
is purchasing, and the artist is the important figure in the game.  Myst,
if you'll recall, was created by a bunch of graphics people huddling
around a computer and trying to piece their images together into a
contiguous whole.  On the other hand, in a strategy game (as was stated in
the original message) the graphics are of trivial importance.  What
matters is the coding skill and the game balance infused by the
programmer.

I will qualify all of the above by stating this:  Anywhere I said
"graphics" in the above message, I was referring to quality artwork.
Anyone can render a few mirror-balls in a 3D program, can composite layers
of text and graphics in Photoshop, can make fractals and textures with
Kai's Power Tools, can render landscapes with BRYCE, can create
humanish-figures with Poser, and can generate billions of lens flares with
the lens flare filter.  And _none_ of it is art by itself.  It's mere
eye-candy.  Just as no one would call a slideshow created in Macromind
Director a 'program', no one would call this 'no-brainer,
no-skill-required' eye-candy to be true artwork.

Trevor Powell

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: FAST FPS 60 Board
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:06:06 -0500
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Jair Bobys wrote:
>
> Anybody have any experience with the FAST fps 60 board?
>
> I do not have a PCI system and am looking for a relatively inexpensive
> way to get my animations to video.
>
> This is more for hobby than anything else and the PAR is a little
> out of my price range at this time.
>
> aTdHvAaNnKcSe for any feedback.

I don't own FAST products, but I've heard miserable reviews for FPS60
and have seen tons of them for sale in on-line classifieds. Quadrant has
an ISA video board called Q-Motion that I've heard rather good reviews
about. You can ever order them from MicroWarehouse these days.

Nate hayes

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From: [e-mail] (------james------)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Baker) writes:
>LW500xx-cu       LightWave 3D 5.0, Competitive Upgrade        $ 895.00
> xx=platform       See qualifications**
>                 (available for Intel, DEC Alpha, MIPS, Amiga)
>
>** Competitive Upgrade: Packages eligible for competitive upgrade include
>    3D Studio, Alias, WaveFront, TrueSpace, Crystal Topas, SoftImage,
>    Strata Studio Pro, Electric Image, Imagine 4.0.  Title Page and serial
>    number required.

I'm curious, is there a reason why Real 3D is not included in the list here?






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From: [e-mail]
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Date: 30 Apr 1996 17:00:12 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING) writes:
>  I had considered the lights as cameras trick before; thanks for the
>  suggestion. What I meant was that automated functions seem like less work
>  and time  than any stuff you would manually have to do.


    Agreed.  Frankly, I'd like to see multiple cameras in LW:  doesn't seem
like it should be that hard for Allen to code (one of my prerequisites before I
start pining for a given feature).

    OTOH, I >don't< think the lack of MC makes bad animations:  bad animators
make bad animations.  Currently my group is using 3ds to do an animation, and
setting up the cuts with multiple cameras seems just as much a hassle as saving
a scene, since the animator doesn't seem to appreciate what the edits are intended
for.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: 30 Apr 1996 17:01:42 GMT
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>   Nate Hayes <[e-mail]> writes:
>  Steph Greenberg wrote:
>  > This feature can change your entire way of working, <SNIP
>
>  This is probalbly because you are seeing work from people who
>  think like animators, not editors.

    This is the crux of the problem.  EVERYBODY should know how to edit, shooters,
animators, sound people:  it makes the whole process better and more efficient.

    That is, they need to know the BASICS.


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From: [e-mail]
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Date: 30 Apr 1996 17:02:43 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Jim) writes:
>  >>   I created a simple TEXT logo and surfaced it as usual.  The
>  >> problem lies in the lighting.  If I turn AMBIENT light to 0% and
>  >the ONLY light
>  >> down to 0%, shouldn't the image render black?  I can't seem to get the
>  >> light/ambient to cause the image to go dark.  What am I doing
>  >wrong?  I've tried
>  >> all 3 types of light, with, and without falloff.  Ambient at 0-5%,
>  >and the ONLY
>  >> light source at anywhere from 80-0%.  The image always seems to be the same
>  >> brightness.
>  >>  Oh, BTW:, I'm set in the Camera options to Realistic, Trace Shadows.
>
>  You're not using luminosity are you?   If your object is luminous, it
>  will still be bright, even without light.
>
>
    Same applies to reflection.

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From: [e-mail] (T0pJimmy)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3
Date: 30 Apr 1996 13:04:02 -0400
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[e-mail] (Jim) wrote:
>Okay, assuming all things even, that's an increase of 282% in
>rendering time.   If the frame on the Alpha system take 10 minutes
>(some transparency can take care of that), then on the P6 it will take
>28 minutes.   Multiply that 18 minute increase by 500 frames, and the
>increase in rendering time is now 150 hours, or 6.25 days.

>That's why I bought a Raptor 3. . .


Exactly!


Jim Guyon
[e-mail]

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Kurt Harmel <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Went for a demo of Soft Image the other day. Boy, was I glad that
: I went the Lightwave route. Soft Image seems like a pretty nice
: program, much easier than 3D Studio and very much like Lightwave
: in many respects. I was interested in it for the human animation
: elements as it is the primary progam behind the REBOOT series here in
: Vancouver. In all honesty, even though I am not an experienced S.I. user,
: I did not see any thing it offered that Lightwave 5.0 should not be able

And you think from a superficial demo (one designed to show what the program
can do in an hour or less) that you know what Softimage can and can't do?
You can't do multi-target deformation (Softimage term: weighted cluster targets),
specialized hierarchies in constraints, some amazing multiple texture stuff,
paths animated to paths, giving objects targets, explicitly assigned lights,
NURBS which don't get turned into polygons in the animation interface, lots
of effects and subtle editing tools.

When I went from using LW 5 years ago to Softimage (I kept using LW on the side)
it took me 4 days just to open all the menu options.

There are more now.

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From: Henri Smulders <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Steven Johansen wrote:

> >Nobody yet has actually given an example of why multiple cameras is
> >usefull.

    Okay; I've found this a useless thread for a long time; but now I'm getting fed-up. Multiple camera's
would be a very nice thing in LW and I'm not even talking for the animation part. But what about texturing?
Imagine having your camera's set up in standard angles above your origin(frontal, top, side view). this would
allow you to take a quick snapshot so that you'll have the outline to pull into photoshop for texturing. What
about tweaking textures? switvch between a close-up and a long distance shot. Change camera's on the fly
etc... . Put another feature into my package and I'll find a way to use it! (I don't do logo's!)
    I'm not saying that multiple camera's is worth the $3,500.- for MAX. I'm not saying that I would
switch to another package (Bang for the buck; nothing beats LW, photoshop and Sparks running on a fast PC)
But golly, saying multiple camera's is stupid? No; I'd like to have some. Actually I'd like NewTek to put as
much stuff into my package as possible and I'll decide what I like to use!
    Something I really don't get is this: People that say multiple camera's are stupid and then give a
workaround. IF YOU KNOW A WORKAROUND FOR A TOOL ANOTHER PACKAGE HAS BUILT IN THEN THAT MEANS THAT IT WOULD BE
A USEFULL TOOL TO HAVE!    (Sorry for screaming ;-) )

    Hajo

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From: [e-mail] (GKeenan818)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: It's here! It's here! The LWPRO Compilation Book is here!
Date: 30 Apr 1996 13:19:15 -0400
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Another week ends and the books still don't arrive.......Gee isn't the
customer service great.... "Should be with you in a day or so sir."

Yeah, what day, what year... gripe... gripe... gripe...


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From: [e-mail] (Theo G.G. Specht)
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Are there any people apart from me who didn't receive any messages from the
Lightwave mailing-list the last couple of days?
Or did I forget to pay my contribution :)

Happy pixelling.

Theo...

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
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In article <4m559b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kurt Harmel) wrote:

>I know it has a good reputation
> as a program, and I also know the S.G.I people seem to have money to burn,
> but how long can companies who produce products like these hope to survive?
> Are they not pricing themselves out of existence?

Maybe you haven't been around long enough...  try $70,000 just a few years
ago for the same amount of Softimage software (Eddie, Minerva stuff,
etc..)

$12,000 is a bargain!  And Soft is much deeper than Lightwave is.  It does
justify the cost in my opinion.

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Edwards)
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[e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson) writes:
> [e-mail] (David Timperley) wrote:

[snip]


> Try to think more about what real life is doing rather than a fake effect
> and usually Lightwave will follow. A lens flare only comes from a camera
> being pointed directly into a very intense light source.

But surely if the surface is reflective enough, then the lightsource
will be reflected into the camara and thus create a lensflare (or at the
very lest, a glow around the specular highlight.)

Love & Life,

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From: [e-mail] (MicroTech)
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Subject: Re: PVR and Video Action Pro?
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On 25-Apr-96 20:22:45, Steve Axtell ([e-mail]) posted:

> Has anyone tried Video Action Pro NLE software?  I heard it beats
> Premiere.  Any comments?  Does it direclty support PVR like Speed
> Razor?  Ax

Yes, Video Action NT directly supports the PVR hardware. It's a very nice
package, but I'm not sure if I could say it 'beats' Premiere. Perhaps in
the way of special effects - it certainly has a lot of them. There's a
feature description in the 'Products' section of our web page if you want
to know more.

Regards,
John Crookshank
MicroTech

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Jochen Biertümpel wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (John Roberts) wrote:
>
> >In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
> >>Windows NT 4.0 will have the Win95 Shell, but many consumers will
> >>stick with windows 95. Why? No plug and play support
>
> >Now *that* would be nice ... matter of fact, if Win95 would just let _me_ tell
> >_it_ where my cards are and what to do with them, maybe it would manage to boot
> >more often than one time out of five ...
>
> I had windows 95 on my computer for four days. and it already crashed
> after the fourth day.. Not completely, just enough to make it
> impossible for me to get into windows.. (It locked up my keyboard and
> my mouse!) I couldm't email for help because my software needed
> windows so I uninstalled it.
> I also think that windows 95 takes way too long to boot up! It only
> makes minor differences when it comes to actual speed while running
> windows! Everything else is just a fad...

I haven't had a single probblem with my Win95.  Granted I had to reinstall some driver files when I
accidentally unpluged the darn thing before clicking on shut down, but for the most part I have found it to be
on the Up and Up.

Ryan Goltry
<[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: 30 Apr 1996 15:07:31 GMT
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>
>>I agree with SGI's days being numbered, but first the NT 3D programs

>>have to be better than SI/NT is now. If LW takes as agressive an
approach
>
>>as Max to building an open system, and all three programs try to
outdo
>>each other, and Microsoft convinces more SGI vendors like Parallax,
>>Amazon Paint, Prisms, Taarna/Digits 'n' Art, Discreet Logic etc to
>>switch sides, then SGI is dead in the workstation class.
>>

That is true, but it won't be microsoft that convinces these companies
to switch over to NT.  It will be the production houses that use the
software that will demand that switch.  Since many houses use their own
in house code, it's usually a no brainer to recompile it to run on NT
machines.

GT



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GKeenan818 ([e-mail]) writes:
> Another week ends and the books still don't arrive.......Gee isn't the
> customer service great.... "Should be with you in a day or so sir."
>
> Yeah, what day, what year... gripe... gripe... gripe...
>
I just got mine yesterday...So hopefully yours should be along soon

sai


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From: [e-mail] (Wiebo de Wit)
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Subject: LW for sale.
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Hi There...

Would anyone like to buy LW3.5 for the amiga? Registered, dongle and all, with
original packaging. Will accept any decent offer.
Please reply via e-mail. thank you.

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hi all:
    I have just recently learned Alias v7 and immediately fell
in love with 3d graphics.  The thing is, though, as my graduation date
nears, my access to SGI's ( = $$$$ that I don't have right now ) is
going to terminate as well.  Thus, I am hoping to find a cheaper alternative
that will essentially do 70 % to 90% of what Alias does -- most likely
on a PC platform ; even when I do get the money, pay however many
tens of thousands of dollars for Alias seems ridiculous !  So, I was
conversing with a friend of mine and he introduced me to Lightwave.
What I would like to know is this:

1) What type of hardware should one use in order to get performance
that nears that of SGI's?  I know that this is possible, I just don't
know what specific products I will need to consider.  What prices
do these products run for?


2) How much is Lightwave ($$) ?


3) What file formats is Lightwave capable of exporting?


4) What capabilities does Alias have that are painfully obvious that
Lightwave doesn't, and is there some method by which to ameliorate this?


Yeah, I know, it's mess of questions, but I would really appreciate
any information.
                            Thanks


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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: 30 Apr 1996 15:45:29 GMT
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In <4m4co0$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(MICHAEL C. LING) writes:
>
>On Apr 29, 1996 13:54:04 in article <Re: LW vs Alias>, 'Steph
Greenberg
><[e-mail]>' wrote:
>
>>: SGI's.  As far as rendering output, LW's AS good as Alias.  What it

>>
>>No it isn't. LW still has some quality that looks computery, no
matter
>>how much time you spend lighting. Oddly, Softimage's stock renderer
>
>What recent  film work has been done with Alias? I want to see some
>examples of the output you are talking about.
>
>
>--
>M C L -


For some reason Steph, your respose to my post hasn't shown up on my
list here.  I've seen respones back to you from it, but I haven't seen
the original you sent.

Anyway, the only artifacting that LW still has that gives it that
computery look is the edge quality of near horizontal or near vertical
geometry.  I'm not sure what the solution to this problem is, but there
is a solution, even if LW has to render at a sub-pixel level.

There's also the option of tossing the whole renderer and using a
plug-in one that addresses these issues.  Many shader plug-ins for LW
now do just that.  They basically override LW's renderer and apply
their own, giving you images that don't "buz" or produce effects that
aren't in the stock renderer.  We already have textures that produce
soft-edge shadows that grow fuzzier as they receed away from the
object, shadows that follow the contours of bump maps, bump maps that
create their own cast shadows, etc.

As for the other posters comment on what films use Alias's renderer,
you won't see too many, as Alias's renderer is rarely used because:

1.  It's far to slow for most production work

2.  It eats up vast amounts of RAM

3.  It chokes under it's own weight from time to time -one of the guys
at work described it as "Alias rendering an image even it couldn't
lift".

4.  You have to have an Alias license on every machine used to render.


This is why Renderman is used almost exclusively when it comes time to
making pretty pictures.

GT


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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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Subject: Re: Volumetric lighting
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In <[e-mail]> Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>> I'd really like to see something done with MAX that WAS trying to
look truly
>> photoreal (so you can't tell it's CGI).
>
>And I would like to see something done in Lightwave.
>
>Jeff
>--

How about the Voyager ship?  I know it may not look photoreal, but then
again it's not supposed to.  It's supposed to look like the model,
which it does exactly.

As I remember Jeff, I sent you an image of some water that I was
working on several months ago, and you said that "it looked like a
photograph"  Was that real enough? :-)

GT



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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Alias Success
Date: 30 Apr 1996 19:49:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Tom Alessi) wrote:
>here I am again.. the original poster.. I'd like to kill this thread
>because it's getting a bit violent in here.. All I wanted to hear was
>someone with a personal experience with each and a comparison. I know they
>don't compare but if you were in my situation would you take this
>opportunity.
>
>                    thanks for all of the info
>                        joe
>                        [e-mail]
>
Don't be disouraged, it's just the nature of the beast: you can't request
a comparison without things getting a little ugly.

Personally, I would get both.  With the high cost of Alias and the low
cost of LW, it should be easy to slip LW in the bid.  You could mark it
down as support software (I know it works because I've done it).

If you absolutely cannot include LW (which I find unlikely), get Alias.
When will you ever get access to this amount of money again.  LW is so low
cost you could always get it later.  And believe me, for modeling with
polygons, LW is tops (especially with MacroForm - shameless plug ;})

To production houses, it doesn't matter which program you use, just strive
for excellence in either; although, having mature skills in both programs
will undoubtedly make you even more invaluable.

Hope this helps...

-Lyle Milton
-One And Only Media


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Bill Leonard wrote....
--------------------------------------------
$12,000 is a bargain!
------------------------------------------

Hey, Bill - you want to invest in a feature film?!? Anyone who thinks $12k
is a bargain is MY kinda guy....



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Nate Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Steph Greenberg wrote:
>> This feature can change your entire way of working, and encourages fast
>> cuts instead of lengthy one camera shots. Based on the reels I've seen,
>> few people go through the trouble of multiple cuts, but if it were a
>> standard feature, I think more people would take advantage of it.
>>
>
>This is probalbly because you are seeing work from people who
>think like animators, not editors. Try this: render the first 15 seconds
>of a scene from a camera position. Now move the camera somewhere else
>and render the last 10 seconds of the scene with an additional 5 seconds
>of overlap from the first render. Now you've got 2 clips from different
>cameras that are 15 seconds long with 5 seconds of overlap. Use that 5
>seconds of overlap for a simple dissolve in Adobe Premiere and voila!
>Now you've got a 20 second animation from 2 cameras broken up by a nice
>dissolve. EASY.
>
>Nate

This is absolutely the way to do it!  You should always think like an
editor/director when composing segments.

To back-up this notion, you could compose the motions of your objects and
then set-up the first camera shot/motion path.  Next you would save the
camera's motion path and copy it to a null object.  You would then set the
camera motion for the next shot and then copy that motion to null object
#2.  Repeat the process until you have a null object for each camera
movement.

One you have your "null cameras" set you can tweek the texturing and
lighting.  Before you render just parent the camera to a null camera to
get a particular shot.

I tend to rename my null cameras with the beggining and ending frame
numbers e.g. "Frames_210-457" so I never forget which frames to render.
It's definately not automatic but it allows me to manage my shots by
keeping them all with the associated scene.

-Lyle Milton
-One And Only Media




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From: [e-mail] (Darren Hebden)
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On Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:48:33 +1000, [e-mail] (Trevor Powell)
wrote:

>I will qualify all of the above by stating this:  Anywhere I said
>"graphics" in the above message, I was referring to quality artwork.
>Anyone can render a few mirror-balls in a 3D program, can composite layers
>of text and graphics in Photoshop, can make fractals and textures with
>Kai's Power Tools, can render landscapes with BRYCE, can create
>humanish-figures with Poser, and can generate billions of lens flares with
>the lens flare filter.  And _none_ of it is art by itself.  It's mere
>eye-candy.  Just as no one would call a slideshow created in Macromind
>Director a 'program', no one would call this 'no-brainer,
>no-skill-required' eye-candy to be true artwork.

I agree totally with all the points you made in your message but this
final message.... hythhh... (cartoon-like attempt to signify a sharp
intake of breath) I can almost here the rabble stirring. The 'What
counts as Art' thread is great fun. Usually guarantees at least 5 new
messages to the thread a day :)


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From: [e-mail] (Leif E Johnson)
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From: [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
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Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3
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In article <4m52lo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] (Marlon Beltz) wrote:
>
>>On 21 Apr 1996 14:53:02 -0700, [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
>>wrote:
>
>>>Any of you folks get to see that 500Mhz Raptor 3 we were demonstrating in
the
>>>DeskStation booth at NAB?  That baby really screams!  A specific example I
>>>recall off the top of my head... Load the Watership scene that came with 4.0
>>>(in the Vehicles dir).  Turn off field rendering, turn on low AA, show while
>>>rendering and full-screen display.  This beast did it in 11 seconds (while
>>>playing the Perception card).  I'd be interested in results on your
systems...
>
>
>>Assuming that you are at 640x480 square pixels and all else the same
>>my Dell 200mhz p6 did it in 31 seconds.  This computer only cost $5k.
>>Hmm.
>
>Okay, assuming all things even, that's an increase of 282% in
>rendering time.   If the frame on the Alpha system take 10 minutes
>(some transparency can take care of that), then on the P6 it will take
>28 minutes.   Multiply that 18 minute increase by 500 frames, and the
>increase in rendering time is now 150 hours, or 6.25 days.
>
>That's why I bought a Raptor 3. . .
>

Very well said.  And as Jim pointed out, the Alpha really starts performing
when you're working the big buttons...reflection, refraction, shadows,
transparancy and the like.  The Watership animation was probably not the
greatest example scene, but it's the only one I recall for certain.
Nonetheless, 500Mhz is a hell of a lot of speed.

-David


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From: Hal Hickel <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:

> Can we please leave VIFX out of any list of top quality CGI houses?  I have
> seen their work.
>
> By the way, perhaps you are not aware of the NT group at Digital Domain
> currently running Lighwave?  As for your price listing of the average Alias
> animator in "Hollywood" (72,000), the average Lightwave figure is around
> $91,000 (at 52 weeks).   I'll stick with Lightwave for awhile.
>
> --
>                       -=Fred=-


Ouch Fred, is that kinda crap really necessary? It allways smacks of
insecurity when I see someone slam another shop wholesale like that,
really weak. And average saleries? Come on, there is no reliable way any
of you guys can state "average saleries". There is no quantfiable data
on this, and unless you've personally worked at at least 20 different
shops or can cite some kind of reliable survey, I think you should just
stop spouting off.

>Those figures are what most Lightwave people charge PER
>SHOT, so assuming they turn in a couple of shots per week--not unlikely >for TV--they can make twice as much, and having an Alpha means they can >actually deliver that many shots (or more).   You are also wrong about >the quantity of Alias animators.  We


What kind of animation are you guys talking about? If you're talking
about CG character animation then you aren't talking about Lightwave
(Yeah, yeah, I've seen the m&m spots, they are an exception), and you're
definetely not talking about some animator cranking out feature quality
animation at a rate of several shots per week. Not if those shots are
expected to rise above Reboot quality. In fact I don't see how people
can argue about something so ill defined from the outset, and in such an
uninformed way. Besides there is so much more too it than pay, like oh
for instance, what kind of project is it and is it interesting in the
least. I see so much mail about "what kind of software should I learn to
get a good job as an animator" and it's just sickening, it's so
backwards.   -H

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Does Lightwave run good under 95 or NT4.0?
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:51:45 LOCAL
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I'm considering the purchase of Lightwave and I wanted to know if it has any
known problems under 95 or NT4.0 beta.

Thanks!

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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On Sun 28-Apr-1996  8:30p, Elliot Bain wrote:
EB> CGI GROUP wrote:
EB> >
EB> > I found out that you have to delete the directory that the animation is
EB> > saved in.
EB> >  I could not delete individual frames.
EB> >
EB> > you too?
EB> >
EB> > Rick
EB> >

EB> I don't think anyone reads manuals anymore....

EB> The reason you can't delete individual frames is because there are *NO*
EB> individual frames. What you see is a representation of a virtual directory

EB> with virtual files. When you access each of these files with another
EB> program,
EB> you are asking the PVR file system to go into the .PVD file and uncompress
EB> a
EB> particular frame.

EB> This is not a bug, nor is it a feature. It's just the way it is.

EB> --
EB> Elliot Bain
EB> Laurell Creative Services
EB> 614.459.4404
--------------
If this is true, then how come I am able to grab ONLY ONE frame out, if I want
to, and send it over to my Mac and view it and change it around in PhotoShop.
But you are right about the fact that nobody reads manuals anymore. I know for
a fact that I have not read all of my manual just because I haven't had too
much time untill lately, but I DO think that I am one of the FEW people who do
spend the time to read the manuals........Anyway, I DO think that there is a
way to do this kind of thing and in fact, I think someone has already posted
something about ti that would work. If I find out what it is then I'll post
it.......md

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Subject: Know any ftp/web sites with Lightwave objects?
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Do you know of any ftp or web sites that have lightwave objects to download?

Thanks,
Sam Edsall
[e-mail]

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Subject: PR: Lighthouse Imaging NAB Announcement
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News Release
Editorial Contact:
    David Hopkins [phone]
    Lisa Kuchar [phone]

LIGHTHOUSE IMAGING TARGETS ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY WITH STATE-OF-THE-ART,
AFFORDABLE 3D ANIMATION SERVICES

New Firm Started by Imaging Industry Veterans from Mach Universe, DeskStation
Technology and Unified Film Organization

Las Vegas (April 14, 1996) - Lighthouse Imaging today announced its formation
as a new company that provides high-quality, computer-generated visual effects
- on time and on budget - to the entertainment industry.  The new Los
Angeles-based company was formed by three leading companies in the imaging
industry:  DeskStation Technology, manufacturers of the blazing-fast Raptor
ReFlex imaging workstations; Mach Universe, a leading provider of 3D-animation
services and Unified Film Organization (UFO), a Studio City-based production
company.

The company also offers affordable contract rendering services for LightWave
3D, Softimage and 3D Studio MAX animators.  Featuring one of the fastest
"render farms" in the world, Lighthouse Imaging gives smaller animators and
facilities the ability to undertake projects of much larger size than would
otherwise be possible.

Jeffrey Panzer of Universal Records' Video Division said, "Lighthouse Imaging
delivers first-rate quality with the benefit of ultra-fast speed.  The company
comes through every time.  Hopkins' artistic magic is amazing...he is a visual
painter."

"When it comes to 3D rendering and animation, nobody does it better within our
budget than Lighthouse Imaging and Mach Universe.  They're making quality
animation available to the masses," said Alan Stamm of Gun For Hire Films.

"Lighthouse Imaging is a one-stop source for affordable visual FX for film and
television," said David Hopkins, president of Lighthouse Imaging.  "With
experienced professionals from the production, CGI and high-speed computer
hardware industries, we have the knowledge and the tools to make our clients'
projects shine."

Lighthouse Imaging uses 10 DeskStation Raptor ReFlex Windows NT workstations,
allowing the most complex animations to be rendered to any format (including
35mm motion picture film) in a matter of hours instead of days.  Running
LightWave 3D and SoftImage software for Windows NT as well as other
industry-standard software, the Raptor ReFlex workstations handle the most
demanding visual-effects requirements in the broadcast, video, film,
interactive and games industries.

David Hopkins, founder of Mach Universe, is the president and animation
director of Lighthouse Imaging.  Hopkins has created animations for companies
such as Republic Pictures, NBC Productions, PepsiCo, Nestle, EMI Records Group
and Caesars World Resorts; for five years he has written the monthly 3D
animation column, "Taming The Wave," for Video Toaster User Magazine.  Hopkins
has developed an outstanding reputation in the imaging industry.

DeskStation Technology's Raptor workstations have won numerous industry awards
including the COMDEX Spring '95 "Best of Show" award from Byte Magazine; a 1995
Editor's Choice award from Computer Graphics World; a Five-Star Rating from
Cadalyst Magazine in November, 1995; a finalist award for "Best of Show" at
COMDEX Fall '95 from Byte Magazine; and a Top 20 Products award from Video
Toaster User.

UFO Partner Phillip Roth has written and directed a number of feature films,
including Digital Man, Prototype, and APEX (all from Republic Pictures).  Ken
Olandt, also of UFO, is an accomplished actor with starring roles in three
television series (including RipTide), a number of features (Leprechaun,
Digital Man), and guest spots on shows such as The Young and the Restless, Star
Trek: TNG, and Renegade.  UFO is currently in production or pre-production of
six feature films: DarkDrive, Total Reality, Virtualove 5.0, Starbright, and
Crossfire-A Hitman's Story.

For more information, contact:
David Hopkins [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
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Subject: PR: DeskStation NAB Announcement - Raptor RackMount
Date: 30 Apr 1996 15:42:03 -0700
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DESKSTATION TECHNOLOGY

News Release
Editorial Contact:
    Lisa Kuchar [phone]

DESKSTATION TECHNOLOGY ANNOUNCES RACK MOUNT VERSION OF RAPTOR REFLEX WINDOWS NT
WORKSTATION

New System Ideal for High-Performance Render Farms and Server Applications;
Incorporates All the Features of DeskStation's Award-Winning Raptor ReFlex
Systems

Las Vegas (April 15, 1996) - DeskStation Technology, Inc. today announced the
Raptor ReFlex Rack Mount (RM), the latest addition to DeskStation's
award-winning, high-performance workstation series.  The Raptor ReFlex RM is
designed for standard 19-inch rack mount enclosures, with large handles on the
front for easy accessibility; it incorporates all the standard features of the
Raptor ReFlex workstation/server for Windows NT.

The Raptor ReFlex RM incorporates DeskStation's unique UniFlex(TM) architecture
and utilizes a variety of high-performance plug-in processor modules.  The
system includes the motherboard with on-board Fast/Wide SCSI controllers, seven
PCI slots (five full-length), a Multi-IO PCI module with 16-bit CD quality
sound, an IDE disk controller, two parallel and four high-speed seriel ports,
and a 3.5-inch floppy drive.  The Raptor ReFlex RM can accomodate the following
Alpha Processor modules:

21164 EV5 266MHz
21164 EV5 300MHz
21164 EV56 333MHz
21164 EV56 366MHz
21164 EV56 400MHz

DeskStation Technology, Inc. is the first company to ship a system based on the
400MHz Alpha 21164.

"Putting the power of the Raptor ReFlex system into a facility-friendly housing
shows DeskStation's commitment to the entertainment industry.  We at Lighthouse
Imaging are excited to watch a cutting-edge computer system become an
invaluable production tool," said David Hopkins, president of Lighthouse
Imaging.  "DeskStation is really paying attention to the needs of professional
studios and facilities worldwide."

DeskStation also announced a number of optional devices to complement the
Raptor ReFlex RM, including:
* 51-inch Transportable rack cart that holds up to five Raptor ReFlex RM units
* ServeView switch that can support up to 16 systems individually or 256
systems when cascaded with additional ServeView switches
* Keyboard shelf
* Cabinet for an array of disk drives

The Raptor ReFlex RM is ideal for high-performance Render Farms.  The
cart-based solution normally contains the ServeView switch and can be used as a
control center for up to 256 computers in a Render Farm.  The rack-mountable
devices can also be utilized in most standard equipment racks; the rack itself
can be used for other devices such as video tape recorders, disk arrays,
network routers, and other standard components.  When used with the optional
shipping case, the unit can be transported for use on-location.

The Raptor ReFlex RM is also targeted at the server market.  Together, the
Raptor ReFlex RM and the Transportable rack cart provide the framework for
devices such as raid arrays, network hubs, uninterruptible power supplies and
other devices that are often required for server applications.  As higher
performance PCI network devices become available, the Raptor ReFlex RM will be
an excellent choice as a content server for graphics, animation, sound and
video.

The Raptor ReFlex RM is available immediately with prices starting at $10,000,
depending on system configuration.  A Raptor ReFlex RM with the Alpha 21164
333MHz and the Transportable rack cart with a ServeView switch is available
with prices starting at under $13,000.

DeskStation Technology, Inc. markets its systems through value-added resellers
throughout the world.  Founded in March 1989, DeskStation is the only
microprocessor-independent company that designs, manufactures and markets
systems technology for the Windows NT market.  A privately held company,
DeskStation Technology is committed to technology leadership and has been
responsible for numerous breakthroughs that have driven the development of
Advanced RISC systems.

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UniFlex is a trademark of DeskStation Technology, Inc.

For More Information, Contact:
    Mark Jaimes [phone]
    Lisa Kuchar [phone]

DeskStation Technology, Inc.
13256 West 98th Street
Lenexa, KS 66215


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From: [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
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DESKSTATION TECHNOLOGY, INC.

News Release
Editorial Contact:
    Lisa Kuchar [phone]

DESKSTATION DELIVERS AGAIN...NOW SHIPPING RAPTOR REFLEX WITH ALPHA 21164 400MHZ
MICROPROCESSOR

DeskStation Debuts World's Fastest Windows NT Workstation at NAB96, Booth
#M4570

Las Vegas, NV (April 15, 1996) - The world's fastest workstation just got
faster today when DeskStation Technology, Inc. announced the availability of
the Raptor ReFlex Windows NT workstation with the Alpha 21164 400MHz.  This
announcement makes the Raptor ReFlex the fastest RISC-based single processor
Windows NT workstation currently shipping.  DeskStation is spotlighting the
400MHz Raptor ReFlex at NAB, Booth #4570, and is also giving Windows NT users a
chance to test-drive the next generation Raptor ReFlex with a 500MHz
microprocessor technology demonstration.

"With this announcement, DeskStation increases its performance lead over every
other Windows NT workstation and server manufacturer," said Don Peterson,
president and founder of DeskStation Technology.  "DeskStation has consistantly
led the industry in designing and manufacturing the fastest Windows NT
workstations in the world.  We're delivering again with the 400MHz Alpha."

"DeskStation continues to excel in getting new technology into the hands of
users as quickly as possible," said Tom Counihan, Alpha Microprocessor Product
Line Manager for Digital Semiconductor.  "In imaging and technical markets with
a seemingly insatiable appetite for speed, DeskStation's Raptor ReFlex systems
with the new 400MHz Alpha 21164 microprocessor will deliver outstanding
performance for Windows NT applications."

The Raptor family with its UniFlex architecture has the ability to deliver
performance to suit every power user's needs.  The Raptor ReFlex is fully
compatible with all of the CPU modules for the entire UniFlex family.  The
ReFlex is based upon DeskStation Technology's award-winning UniFlex
architecture.  Since its introduction in the Spring of 1995, DeskStation's
unique UniFlex architecture and design has been recognized for its performance,
flexibility and affordability by leading industry publications.  The Raptor 3
workstation won the COMDEX Spring '95 "Best of Show" award from Byte magazine,
a Computer Graphics World editor's choice award, Cadalyst magazine's highest
five-star rating, a finalist award for "Best of Show" at COMDEX Fall '95 from
Byte magazine and most recently Byte magazine's Editors Choice Award as one of
the best systems introductions of 1995.

DeskStation Technology, Inc. markets its systems through value-added resellers
throughout the world.  Founded in 1989, DeskStation is the only
microprocessor-independent company that designs, manufactures and markets
systems technology for the Windows NT market.  A privately held company,
DeskStation Technology is committed to technology leadership and has been
responsible for numerous breakthroughs that have driven the development of
Advanced RISC systems.

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UniFlex is a trademark of DeskStation Technology, Inc.

For More Information, Contact:
    Mark Jaimes [phone]
    Lisa Kuchar [phone]



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From: [e-mail] (James Burns)
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Subject: Re: Does Lightwave run good under 95 or NT4.0?
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Re: Does Lightwave run good under 95 or NT4.0?

Does Lightwave run WELL under 95 or NT4.0?
                   ^^^^


Geez...

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The only lightwave dealer I can find in Britain is charging 1900
dollars for lightwave 5.0. This seemed a little high. Does anyone know
the suggested retail for 5.0? Is there a student price?




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GWEB (www.gweb.org), THE WEBPAGE for computer animation and
graphics(sponsored by Cinenet Communications), is adding new features
and recently updated the site's job and educational links. So check
it out and let us hear from you about what you would like to see on
GWEB!

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If anyone can point me to some Lightwave benchmarks I would be very
grateful. A friend of mine (a filmmaker) who bought an A4000/040 to do
CGI effects for video years ago has finally gotten around to it, only to
find it is stupidly slow and limited to 18Mb RAM. I need to know whether
a Pentium class processor is likely to provide him with a significant
speed boost, or whether he should buy an Alpha system. I would appreciate
benchmarks for P100-200, Cyrix 686, and anything else :-)

Thank you.

Paul.

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email to [e-mail]

(I forgot :-)

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I am going to buy a Pentium Pro 200mHz system with the following
configuration, and I am wondering if it would be an optimal system
configuration for running Lightwave 5.0?

-200mHz Pentium Pro Processor
-64 RAM (Upgradeable to 128MB)
-Adaptec AHA-2940UW controller
-Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST3437W 4GB Hard Disk
-Iomega Jaz 1GB Portable Hard Disk
-6X SCSI-2 CD-ROM
-16 Bit Soundscape Ensoniq Elite Wavetable Sound Card
-28.8 Baud Fax/Modem
-21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
-Windows 3.51 (or 4.0 if available)

Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
comments on this would be greatly appreciated!


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Where is this evil house of cheat my good man?????
Allynn Wilkinson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>HOUSE wrote:
>>
>>         I AM NOT ASSOSIATED WITH THIS PAGE!  JUST A FREQUENT USER!!!
>>                  CHECK OUT THE EVIL HOUSE OF CHEAT!!!!
>>                 LOTS OF FREE ESSAYS IN ALL TOPICS AND LANGUAGES!!
>>                                 CHECK IT OUT!!!!

>Oh goody!  Thanks for the info!  I'll be sure to tell the rest of the TA's in my
>department and the profs too so we'll know where to look for all those plagiarized
>papers!  Thanks for making my job a whole lot easier.

>Allynn



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From: [e-mail] (Geir Otto Molstad)
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Subject: Re: PVR and Premeire 4.2 ??
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Nate Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:



>Yes, you can capture video and audio from within Premiere. It also has
>full support for batch capture, timecode, and EDLs.

Can you control your deck rs422/lanc/???



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From: [e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson)
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+-- Charles Blaquière <[e-mail]> writes:
    [ about the Matrox ]
| Actually, if you leave the Z buffer enabled, but turn off
| double-buffering, you gain higher colour and spatial resolutions.
    [...]
| As far as actual OpenGL acceleration, wellll... let's say I don't
| think I've installed things correctly, or the OpenGL demos I used
| weren't compatible, Suffice it to say, I haven't seen
| acceleration, and promptly went back to more productive things.

Fully 99% of all OpenGL applications and demos *require* double-
buffering in order to work, including LightWave 5.0.  If you turn
off hardware double-buffering to get resolution, that may not show
OpenGL acceleration at its best.
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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[e-mail] (Elden Bishop) writes:

>The only lightwave dealer I can find in Britain is charging 1900
>dollars for lightwave 5.0. This seemed a little high. Does anyone know
>the suggested retail for 5.0? Is there a student price?


$1495

$895,

respectively. In the U.S.

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Subject: Re: Just compared Soft Image with Lightwave.
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Steph Greenberg wrote:
>
> Kurt Harmel <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : Went for a demo of Soft Image the other day. Boy, was I glad that
> : I went the Lightwave route. Soft Image seems like a pretty nice
> : program, much easier than 3D Studio and very much like Lightwave
> : in many respects. I was interested in it for the human animation
> : elements as it is the primary progam behind the REBOOT series here in
> : Vancouver. In all honesty, even though I am not an experienced S.I. user,
> : I did not see any thing it offered that Lightwave 5.0 should not be able
>
> And you think from a superficial demo (one designed to show what the program
> can do in an hour or less) that you know what Softimage can and can't do?
> You can't do multi-target deformation (Softimage term: weighted cluster targets),
> specialized hierarchies in constraints, some amazing multiple texture stuff,
> paths animated to paths, giving objects targets, explicitly assigned lights,
> NURBS which don't get turned into polygons in the animation interface, lots
> of effects and subtle editing tools.
>

hmm, LW  5.0 has multiple morph targetting, IK with constraints, unlimited layers of textures per surface,
paths animated to paths (using null objects and loading from scenes), object targetting and assignable lights.

no NURBS yet but there is Meta-nurbs and spline patching for now.

hmmm, not bad.

> When I went from using LW 5 years ago to Softimage (I kept using LW on the side)
> it took me 4 days just to open all the menu options.

5 years!!!??? jeez, thats like eternity!!

anyways, I've heard a lot of great things about Softimage, but looking at it, it doesn't seem to be the end of
the world that people think it is.

later
Josh Tsui
Midway Games
>

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:02:54 -0400
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> Now that we have a workaround for multi-cameras in LW, I wonder how you would simulate
> MetaNurbs in 3DSMAX? ;)

MAX has real NURBS that stay NURBS via plug-in.

Jeff
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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Hal Hickel <[e-mail]> wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:

: > By the way, perhaps you are not aware of the NT group at Digital Domain
: > currently running Lighwave?  As for your price listing of the average Alias
: > animator in "Hollywood" (72,000), the average Lightwave figure is around
: > $91,000 (at 52 weeks).   I'll stick with Lightwave for awhile.
: >                       -=Fred=-

Fred, you don't know what you're talking about. I'd have to see a Lightwave
animator's 1040 before I'd believe that number. Maybe some isolated individuals
but average? No F****** way!

: really weak. And average saleries? Come on, there is no reliable way any
: of you guys can state "average saleries". There is no quantfiable data
: on this, and unless you've personally worked at at least 20 different
: shops or can cite some kind of reliable survey, I think you should just
: stop spouting off.

Hal, I recruit my own animators. I work with figures from HR and they are
constantly trying to figure out what competitive salaries are. It's nearly
impossible to come up with LW animator figures because most are freelance
and don't get salaries. But I guarantee you that if they were earning
$90K they wouldn't bitch about supplementing their system with MAX. Almost
every post that slags it does so because of price.

: >Those figures are what most Lightwave people charge PER
: >SHOT, so assuming they turn in a couple of shots per week--not unlikely >for TV--they can make twice as much, and having an Alpha means they can >actually deliver that many shots (or more).   You are also wrong about >the quantity of Alias animators.


Fred, you're equating per SHOT prices with SALARY? Salary is unchanging, an
amount that you get week after week, no matter how much you get done.
Some shots are lots harder to get done than others. Also, when you
are between seasons, on hiatus, you aren't earning anything except
freelance income.

LW has a verrrry small presence in the Hollywood animation community,
and Hollywood pays better than almost anywhere but games. Most LW
work is for industrial video clients in the midwest, and jobs
in the midwest pay less in general. The LW people employed on the
TV shows are the best in the LW universe, and if you want to start
comparing top salaries against top salaries, say the top 100 LW users
vs the top 100 Alias users, there's no contest on who earns more.

: expected to rise above Reboot quality. In fact I don't see how people
: can argue about something so ill defined from the outset, and in such an
: uninformed way. Besides there is so much more too it than pay, like oh
: for instance, what kind of project is it and is it interesting in the
: least. I see so much mail about "what kind of software should I learn to
: get a good job as an animator" and it's just sickening, it's so
: backwards.   -H

Also there's job stability, benefits, vacation pay, paid Siggraph, etc.

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Lyle Milton <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >Steph Greenberg wrote:
: >> This feature can change your entire way of working, and encourages fast
: >> cuts instead of lengthy one camera shots. Based on the reels I've seen,
: >> few people go through the trouble of multiple cuts, but if it were a
: >> standard feature, I think more people would take advantage of it.
: >
: >This is probalbly because you are seeing work from people who
: >think like animators, not editors. Try this: render the first 15 seconds
: >of a scene from a camera position. Now move the camera somewhere else

You aren't talking to someone who just fell off the turnip truck. You can
narrow any one advantage of ANY feature and figure a workaround. But
it is not the same as that feature. I use 5 or 6 cameras for such a
variety of things that it saves me tons of time. Some are "online", that
is they'll be used for renders, some are "offline", which means I use it
for looking at the detail of some piece of animation to zero in on problems.
The fact that it's a click of an Icon away makes it easy to use constantly.
I mean, every 2 minutes or so.

: One you have your "null cameras" set you can tweek the texturing and
: lighting.  Before you render just parent the camera to a null camera to
: get a particular shot.

What a pain in the butt. Select the camera, unparent, scroll through object
list to pick new parent, etc. My average character alone has 90 objects at
least! And I often have multiple characters in a scene!

I mean, you guys are figuring nice workarounds, but you should just ask
Newtek to put it in a future version. If you constantly act like there's no
need, they'll never put it in.


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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:16:47 -0400
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> How about the Voyager ship?  I know it may not look photoreal, but then
> again it's not supposed to.  It's supposed to look like the model,
> which it does exactly.
> As I remember Jeff, I sent you an image of some water that I was
> working on several months ago, and you said that "it looked like a
> photograph"  Was that real enough? :-)

What I mean, and I think the original poster means, is something so good
you can't tell it from the real thing. Your water in the picture you sent
me is a good example. The water looked like real water. But over all I was
not fooled into thinking that the Platform in the water was real. I know
sci-fi looking stuff is not supposed to be real, but that is what I am
looking for. Maybe if you did the same picture with a sailboat churning
through the water with people on deck and it looked like a photo, then
I would believe in completely realistic computer renderings. Generally
I think most computer animation looks like computer animation, but I take
it as such and therefore can get lost in it's fantasy.

Jeff
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Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Bill Leonard wrote....
: --------------------------------------------
: $12,000 is a bargain!
: ------------------------------------------

: Hey, Bill - you want to invest in a feature film?!? Anyone who thinks $12k
: is a bargain is MY kinda guy....


: Lee Stranahan

: "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
: for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."

Lee, did that $5,000 include everyone's salaries? I know a guy who used
to be at Sony Imageworks who did an SF film for $7,000, but that didn't
include a bunch of people working for free and the free use of equipment
which would have billed at over $2 million. Just curious.

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From: [e-mail] (PMshark)
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Don't blame ya. The search engine is a very cool deal. Visited it last
night. And the best part about it is it actually contains tips for LW!
PJ
[e-mail]
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"Look and you will find it--what is unsought will go undetected"
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From: TCM <[e-mail]>
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> Anyone who uses a programmer as a graphician might as well use a
> graphician as a programmer, because that is how his game will look...

I would like to think that my hand drawn art in the game is indistinguishable
(quality wise) from the artists and it's certainly better than a lot of
commercial games I have seen. His rendered artwork does look much better than
the hand drawn stuff tho (mine or his).

I believe that both 'professions' take a bit of natural born talent (ie
some people will _never_ be able to draw well, no matter how much they try and
the same goes for programming), but it takes less time to develop drawing
skills that programming skills (Note, I am not saying in this sentence that
drawing is easyier) because we draw as we grow up.

Drawing is often developed naturally because you do it all the time, I've seen
people in high school with no intention of becoming artists that can draw damn
well (and wouldn't consider drawing a hobby either). If you happen to be able
to draw then you might one day switch to it (ala the programmer becomming an
artist). Programming on the other hand has to be learn't, whether as a hobby
or a class or whatever - you have to have the intention of learning to program.
Since the artist wasn't learning to program doodling in their book during
English class or playing with paint at kindy, they have years of catching up
to do compared to a programmer who was (subconciously) learning to draw during
those boring classes etc and spent time learning to program as well. Obviously
not everyone draws in class, but someone who is neither an artist or
a programmer will have done much more drawing than programming.

It might be the case that for some strange Fraudian reason, programmers have an
unusually high percentance of members that fall into the class of 'will never
be able to draw', but the ones that can draw will have a much easyier time
becomming artists than artists who want to become programmers - assuming the
artists have got what it takes talent wise, they just need to learn all the
algorithms and languages etc.

hmm, well that was a bit more verbal than I meant it to be. Its an opinion of
course, based on my experiences, I'm not presenting it as fact.

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In article <[e-mail]>, Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> writes:
>> You don't often hear graphic artists go "oh no, some pixel (I have no idea
>> which one) has gone rabid and is killing the rest of them" :)
>
> No, but you do see graphic artists, especially in 3D, tweak and rework their
> animations, until it looks "just right"  This is analagous to the debugging process for
> programmers.

Its probably closer to tuning and optimizing your code, if the code has a bug
in it (depending of the seriousness), then it doesn't go and there isn't really
an artist analogue I can think of. Animation can have a lot of bugs that are
similar to programming bugs. I know what you're saying tho.

I dont't this guy's ever going to find an artist for his game :)
(the guy who started the thread)
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From: [e-mail] (Kreg Branden)
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Karma <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Kreg Branden wrote:

>>    I'm all too aware that budgets and schedules don't always allow for
>> the animator to merge with the supreme godhead of character animation
>> and produce a masterpiece, so yes procedurals can be useful.
>> Especially if they're extremely tweakable (as is Biped).  But I still
>> prefer the 'art' over the 'science'.
>>
>>   Kreg Branden
>>   -  Meme-X  -


>In all honesty, how can you say that you prefer "art" over "sience?"
>Are you still using natural coal on rawhide to make exciting animated
>flip-books for your friends?  No.  As technology advances, even more
>things will be automated, and even more still will be discovered.  The
>easier things get for the animator doesn't necessarily mean that the
>animator works less, or doesn't work as hard.  Newer technology just
>lets him/her get past certain mundane actions, and gives him/her the
>ability to do more spectacular things that he/she might not have had the
>time to do before.

   This topic could easily get out of hand.  With that in mind...

    What I meant was that I prefer the result of a creative human mind
actively making something to engage my interest over something stamped
out by a rigid process.  I know Biped is extremely flexible and the
animator can manipulate and change it at any point, but we all willl
probably see the results of lazy animators (remember flares in LW...).
I think Hal Hickle brought this idea up elsewhere, he said (I'm
paraphrasing) the resulting imperfections of the motion of stop motion
lends a naturalistic quality to an animation and in comparing CG, the
CG looks lifeless.  (Sorry Hal if I have totally misinterpreted your
comments).
    One way to deal with the 'lifeless' quality is to animate like
stop motion and keyframe every frame.  In fact we're (Meme-X) doing
just that to a current project.

    I'm going to have to think about your comments some more.  I've
always been a neophile, techno-oriented, sci fi geek and I seem to
disagree with my general mindset over this particular issue.


  Kreg Branden
  -  Meme-X  -


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Subject: Re: anyone use meshpaint?
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emmanuel olympia wrote:
>
> just wondering if this is worth buying to put textures and image maps on
> objects.


    I've played around with it at a friend's studio.
    It's actually pretty cool.
    BUT! What I like better, although still limited,
    is Fori's Power Texture Plug In in 5.0.
    I was able to map an image of a human face on
    a 3D model in minutes.

    Dan

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From: [e-mail] (Kip Pesuti)
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Subject: Re: LWPro Compilation Book
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>I ordered my copy back in December or so and I haven't receved anything
>in the mail.  Someone was mentioning something about seminar coupons?
>Where are these seminars being held? or are these videotapes?

It was I who mentioned the coupons. It says _any_ seminar that AMG puts
on. But it appears that they're only putting them on in the U.S.

The coupon lists some events including:

* 1996 THREE-DAY TRAINING TOUR IN 25 CITIES (MAY-DECEMBER)

* VIDEO TOASTER USER EXPO 1996 TRAINING SEMINARS (NOVEMBER)

* VIDEO TOASTER AND LIGHTWAVE 3D TRAINING IN PARADISE (DECEMBER

Maybe you should email them about the situation.

    [e-mail]

>Derek<<<<<


>--
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Palevich)
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On Wed, 01 May 1996 00:27:51 GMT, [e-mail] () wrote:

>I am going to buy a Pentium Pro 200mHz system with the following
>configuration, and I am wondering if it would be an optimal system
>configuration for running Lightwave 5.0?
>
>-200mHz Pentium Pro Processor
>-64 RAM (Upgradeable to 128MB)
>-Adaptec AHA-2940UW controller
>-Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST3437W 4GB Hard Disk
>-Iomega Jaz 1GB Portable Hard Disk
>-6X SCSI-2 CD-ROM
>-16 Bit Soundscape Ensoniq Elite Wavetable Sound Card
>-28.8 Baud Fax/Modem
>-21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
>-Windows 3.51 (or 4.0 if available)
>
>Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
>comments on this would be greatly appreciated!
>

You mean Windows NT, of course. Your system sounds quite good -- I am
running LW 4.0 using a similar, slightly less powerful system (I don't
have the wide SCSI controler nor the wide Baracuda. ) I've only had my
system for a week, but so far I'm quite pleased with it.

Be aware that any sound card that doesn't have its own DSP chip will
will probably give you synchronization trouble on long playbacks. Most
people recommend the Turtle Beach Tahiti (Or is it Tropez? Anyway, the
non-sound-blaster-compatable one that costs around $250) or the Audio
Tracks Pro. I have an AWE 32, which should give me synchronization
problems if I ever manage to make more than a few seconds of
animation. (:-))

What video card are you considering? Be aware that the Adapdec SCSI
boards are known (by Adaptec tech support) to be incompatable with the
ATI Mach 64 display cards.

I don't think you mentioned how you're going to get your animations to
video. You only need the fast SCSI if you're going to tape and are
using one of the PCI cards that transfers from disk to tape, e.g. a
Miro DC20. If you're going to use a PAR, or you don't care about doing
real-time disk-to-video, then you don't need fast SCSI or hard disks.
Lightwave is entirely RAM and CPU bound when rendering.

Good luck!


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Chris Golchert wrote:
>
> KM ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER
>
> : System Requirements
>
> : 486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
> : IBM PC or compatable
> : Super VGA Color Monitor
> : Running Windows 3.1 or better
>
> Didn't we already read this crap???
>
> and wasn't it a trick to but their software....

    Yes... it's complete bullshit.
    Part of the deal too says that you have to
    give "demos" of their software in your area.
    Along with never really being able to model what
    they consider a "sellable" model, you're working
    for them without pay.

    There are no get rich quick programs...
    If it's too good to be true...
    etc...

    Dan

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Subject: Re: AVI editor
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Shadowbird wrote:
>
> Is there such thing as an AVI editor?  Say I have an AVI that I like, but
> it needs a bit of touching up---preferably something that is decently
> shareware or freeware, I don't have much of a budget...  ;-)


    Under WindowsNT, on the system CD, there's a program
    called VidEdit (I think), that does what you're looking for.
    Not sure if this is only in the Developer Network disk, however.
    It's pretty cool though.

    Dan


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>OK, I just bought LW 3.5, and oh-my-goodness there's a dongle hanging off the
>back of my machine.

>I haven't seen any mention of this in the manual, so maybe the xperts here
>can shed some light on this.

>How can I get Layout to run on a Super72 Highres-interlaced (800X600) screen?

>I figured out how to do it for Modeler (the Screenmode item in the config
>file) but Layout continues to elude me.

>Thanks

Try a modepromotion utilty like NewMode.


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Al Mejias wrote:
>
> In article <4lpfrg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Antony Wong) writes:
>
> >Hi, anybody
> >
> >I am looking a book for LightWave, does anybody know have a book
> > for this LightWave ?
> >if yes, please tell me what is the book name or other information,


    Check out
    _________________________

    The LightWave Power Guide
     _________________________

    by yours truly
    coming to bookstores nationwide this October.
    500 pages, color inserts, CD-Rom.
    Published by New Riders.

    Shameless Plug ;/

    Dan Ablan






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From: [e-mail] (PMshark)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Does anyone know what has happened to Lightspeed(video) magazine?
Date: 1 May 1996 00:01:51 -0400
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I just ordered and recieved promptly a back issue of LightSpeed.  So, it
seems they aren't just taking the money and running. I also ordered a set
of training tapes from them to be released in May.  The production of
these training tapes could be what's slowin' 'em up on the magazine.  From
what I saw of the back issue, I do hope they get back on track.  I was
already able to use at least two of the techniques on the back issue on
projects.
PJ
[e-mail]
Visual Designer

"Look and you will find it--what is unsought will go undetected"
SOPHOCLES

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From: David Forbus <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Amiga CD ROM?
Date: 1 May 1996 03:33:59 GMT
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brad prosise <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Well I finally got my toaster 4.1 upgrade more than a year after I
>bought it. Several people told me that the cd rom for the amiga could be
>a problem. I thought "its just another scsi device, thats no problem".
>As it turns out you cant just ad a cd rom to the scsi chain and it work.
>Now the dealer who I got 4.1 from say I have to buy ASIM software just
>to get the drivers for amiga to do cd rom! BUY DRIVERS? This seems
>strange. Have anyone else had this problem and how did you solve it?
>thanks for any help or advice.


Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for you. Yes you have to buy drivers to run
a CDROM on your Amiga. At the time CDROMs were becoming standard on
PCs, Commodore was failing. The Amiga was completely out of production
for a year and a half. In computer time that is an eternity. The Amiga
computer market is small small SMALL. Other than the Toaster, there is
no reason to have an Amiga. Anyone who thinks differently is a fool.
B.T.W. I have two toasters, and I'm going to keep them. There is no
complete substitution for the Toaster on PC or Mac. Untill the trinity
comes out that is, and at higher cost at that.

DLF


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From: [e-mail] (Ace Underhill)
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Subject: Dongles, Dongles, everywhere!
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This may be a stupid question to most of you Toaster Veterans, but
what is a dongle?  I keep reading about it in this group, but have no
real definition.  I've used the Toaster for 2 years on the Amiga, (and
going to switch to Windows soon), and I havn't encountered such a
creature as the dongle!  Please enLIGHTen me.


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I am having a problem with lightwave.exe, It keeps messing up
everytime I try to run it. Windows shuts it down. The modeler works
fine, but I can't get into lightwav.exe, please help


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From: Britt <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 3RD Dimension Technologies
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Subject:
            3RD Dimension Technologies
       Date:
            Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:58:38 -0700
       From:
            Britt <[e-mail]>
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            NONE
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            comp.graphics.misc


Someone had posted an inquiry with respect to the company 3RD Dimension
Technologies, Inc. I bought their software 3D expres. I have to admit, it
is a tough program, but their is a learning curve to anything. It took me
about 3 weeks to complete my first project and another week to get paid
for it. The company is new but they did answer all my questions with
respect to tech support. Subsequently, they sent me a new subcontractors
reference manual that comprehensively explains how to communicate and
ultimately "DO BUSINESS" with 3RD Dimension. I found it very handy and
wish they would of shipped it with my original package, it would of saved
me time. Anyway they probably are shipping it with all their software,
hopefully.

I hope this sheds some light on my experience with 3RD Dimension
Technologies, Inc.

Catch YA!


Britt

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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Subject: Re: Dongles, Dongles, everywhere!
Date: 1 May 1996 05:39:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ace Underhill) writes:


>This may be a stupid question to most of you Toaster Veterans, but
>what is a dongle?  I keep reading about it in this group, but have no
>real definition.  I've used the Toaster for 2 years on the Amiga, (and
>going to switch to Windows soon), and I havn't encountered such a
>creature as the dongle!  Please enLIGHTen me.


A dongle is a small animal, somewhat like a cross between an electric
eel a lawyer. They are attracted to bright, colorful lights. This is
important.
Once one opens the lightwave package and picks up the CD, the dongle,
fascinated by the CD, will jump up and attach itself to the unfortunate
lightwave user. It will then proceed to shock the person if they ever
try to use lightwave without first showing the dongle the colorful CD
or at least amusing somehow.

Well, I tried.

Dongles are also small boxes that you have to attach to your serial port
in order to be able to use the package. Some unfortunate folks I've seen
have to have 3 or more daisy-chained dongles in order to use all their
expensive software.

--
Noam Ben-Ami is [e-mail] Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers.
http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY.
Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon,
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From: BJ <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:59:50 -0400
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Hammed Malik wrote:
>
> BJ wrote:
>
> > I called on this to, just out of curiosity. The deal is that the
> > software (I could have swor they said it was Extream 3D in which case
> > $500 would be a good investment from what I >have heard) requires that
> > you use a PHOTOGRAH of an object to model from then it uses the Photo
> > for the texture map. Great concept, exept YOU are responsible for
> > taking and digitizing the photos. this sudenly becomes a not s cool
> > thing.
>
> Anyone know if Extreme3D can do this (modeling from photos)?  Last time
> I checked, a company called EOS was selling a similar program called
> PhotoModeler for ~$3000.
>
> hammed


I stand corected, Not Extream 3D but 3D express.

Brad Hayes

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From: [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: is there a way to model objects from blueprints
Date: 1 May 1996 06:26:29 GMT
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If I had/made a blueprint with all three axes, is there a system bywhich
you can model your objects? is there a lightwavepro issue that shows how
to do this? thx for your info.

Emmanuel

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From: [e-mail] (Aaron Estrada)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Best animation format!
Date: 1 May 1996 06:32:13 GMT
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Karma ([e-mail]) wrote:
: What would be the best Animation format to use for 640X480 size
: animation in 24bit?
: >
: > I do not have a Mpeg Board!  I'm running NT...
: >
: > Mpeg, Avi, FLC ???  What format and what software would I need to assemble these files!
: >
: > Is there any Software Mpeg encoders that support more than 352X288 size frames ??
: >
: > Thanks for your help!


: The best format IMHO is quicktime.  The codec should be readilly
: available for NT.  If you don't want any loss, and you're going to
: video, use cinepak compression at 100%.  The frames are then lossless,
: and easily droppable into, say, Adobe Premier.  I personally would stay
: away from mpeg, very slow, very lossy, and not as supported as
: Quicktime.


: Matt Rampias
: Production, animation, design.
: [e-mail]

--
I think what he ment to say was use "no-compression" if you want it to be
lossless. CinePac is probably the Lossy-est of all the Quicktime codecs.
Of course, uncompressed QT movies wont play back in real time. If you
want video that will play in real time, has decent compression, and isn't
very lossy, then use the "video" QT codec. Lastly, if you don't want real
time playback, but want the highest possible quality, but smaller file
size than "no-compression" use the "JPEG-still" codec witha high quality
setting. It is still lossy, but not near as lossy as Cinepac, which has
interframe compression that introduces some interesting artifacts.
(Actually, very similar to mpeg in a lot of ways)

BTW MPEG isn't actually THAT bad if the data rates are high enough. You
still arent' going to get full frame 60 or even 30 fps play back with ANY
software only codec. You'll be lucky to get 30 FRAMES per second Quarter
sceen playback.

-Aaron

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From: [e-mail] (Aaron Estrada)
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Subject: Re: reflecting Lensflears
Date: 1 May 1996 06:11:46 GMT
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Kevin Gleeson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <4m1reg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Timperley) wrote:
: >I'm pretty sure that There is no way to get Lens flears (or glows) to render in
: > refected materials, how is one to generate
: >mirror balls, get that glint off a passing car bumper, or render sparkes on the
: > water???
: >
: >These effects occur in mirrior surfaces in real life, way can't LW???
: >
: Lens flares are a post rendering effect so they will not reflect and I don't
: think any software will render them (yet).


I had an idea for a work around for this. If you want a glow effect on
really bright specular reflections, kind of like a lens flaring because
the reflection is too hot, you could do it this way:

1. Render the scene in LightWave as usual. (This is a scene with sparkley
water or the hot reflections you described) --

2. Now you do the second step, which is 2D post processing
 Take the frame you rendered, and using the contrast and gamma controles
of your favorite 2D image processing program, make the image extreemly
high contrast. Tweek it until only the "hot spots" are white, and
everything else is black. (this may take a bit of tweeking) Now, blur the
image by a radius of maybe 5-8 pixels. Now you have a separate image of
your "sparkle glows" Composite this image back to the origional,
unaltered rendering with an addative process. This is the final image
with soft, glowy highlights.


Just about any paint program can be used for this on stills. For animated
sequences, you could use a program like After Effects. Even though it
sounds like alot to go though, you would probably find that if LW had an
effect like this, it would take just as long or longer to render than
this 2D trick. I have used a trick like this to get a "glow" effect long
before LW had it. I still actually prefer to do the glows in post,
becuase I have more control over things like color and radius. (You can
do a rainbow glow for example. Try THAT in LW)

-Aaron


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Ryan Goltry wrote:
>
> Jochen Biertümpel wrote:
> >
> > [e-mail] (John Roberts) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >
> > >>Windows NT 4.0 will have the Win95 Shell, but many consumers will
> > >>stick with windows 95. Why? No plug and play support
> >
> > >Now *that* would be nice ... matter of fact, if Win95 would just let _me_ tell
> > >_it_ where my cards are and what to do with them, maybe it would manage to boot
> > >more often than one time out of five ...
> >
> > I had windows 95 on my computer for four days. and it already crashed
> > after the fourth day.. Not completely, just enough to make it
> > impossible for me to get into windows.. (It locked up my keyboard and
> > my mouse!) I couldm't email for help because my software needed
> > windows so I uninstalled it.
> > I also think that windows 95 takes way too long to boot up! It only
> > makes minor differences when it comes to actual speed while running
> > windows! Everything else is just a fad...
>
> I haven't had a single probblem with my Win95.  Granted I had to reinstall some driver files when I
> accidentally unpluged the darn thing before clicking on shut down, but for the most part I have found it to be
> on the Up and Up.
>
> Ryan Goltry
> <[e-mail]>/
Plug And Play?
Blechh!
That crap doesn't even work.
NT 4.0 is nice, but my beta version crashes OFTEN

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From: [e-mail] (Trevor Powell)
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In article <1996May1.143044@cantva>, TCM <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Drawing is often developed naturally because you do it all the time, I've seen
> people in high school with no intention of becoming artists that can draw damn
> well (and wouldn't consider drawing a hobby either). If you happen to be able
> to draw then you might one day switch to it (ala the programmer becomming an
> artist). Programming on the other hand has to be learn't, whether as a hobby
> or a class or whatever - you have to have the intention of learning to
program.

I don't get it.  Drawing is developed naturally because you do it all the
time?  Why doesn't programming work the same way?  Sure the initial
expense of starting to program is higher than of starting to draw, but
it's silly to say that you don't sit around and 'doodle' in programming.
Heck, I've got several megabytes of software 'doodles' sitting around on
my hard disk.. doodles that I did and which helped me to see what did and
didn't work properly in a program.  Just like my pen and pencil doodles
helped me to see what did and didn't work properly in artwork.  (Mostly
what didn't work.  I've yet to become even passingly adept at line
artwork..  I need paint or an airbrush...)

Programming consists of far more than just coding.  The important skill in
programming is _not_ learning how to perform a Radix sort, or figuring out
the proper way to tesselate a sphere, or even in learning the intricacies
of printf and scanf.  Programming, at its core, relies on a mindset.  A
methodology.  Total logic.  Mathematic skills.  Abstract thought.  And
more, the ability to see a project simultaneously on the very large,
overall scale, as well as the minutae of indiidual details.  These things
are learned in everyday life, and are not at all unique to programming.
Once you've learned these things, coding itself can be learned with little
difficulty.  In this way, learning these skills can be compared to
'doodling inside the cover of a textbook'.. and many of them can be
learned by doing precisely that.


In article <318680f5.2932720@news>, [e-mail] (Darren
Hebden) wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:48:33 +1000, [e-mail] (Trevor Powell)
> wrote:
>
> >I will qualify all of the above by stating this:  Anywhere I said
> >"graphics" in the above message, I was referring to quality artwork.
> >Anyone can render a few mirror-balls in a 3D program, can composite layers
> >of text and graphics in Photoshop, can make fractals and textures with
> >Kai's Power Tools, can render landscapes with BRYCE, can create
> >humanish-figures with Poser, and can generate billions of lens flares with
> >the lens flare filter.  And _none_ of it is art by itself.  It's mere
> >eye-candy.  Just as no one would call a slideshow created in Macromind
> >Director a 'program', no one would call this 'no-brainer,
> >no-skill-required' eye-candy to be true artwork.
>
> I can almost here the rabble stirring. The 'What
> counts as Art' thread is great fun. Usually guarantees at least 5 new
> messages to the thread a day :)

::laugh::  On the topic of "what counts as art"..

Everyone wants to be an artist, and along comes Kai Krause saying, "Hey
look at this!  You too can be an artist, and all you have to do is pick
one of my presets and click this 'OK' button!"

That's the problem.  I don't think that anyone would argue that 'shove in
a random number, crank the gears, see what comes out' images are really
true art by themselves.  I won't say that nothing generated by a 3D
program or KPT is artwork, but artwork requires more than simply "Hey,
that's a cool looking texture.  'Apply' it."


The purpose of the statement you quoted was to qualify my earlier
assertion that 'the creation of the graphics is not a linear progression,
as a prior poster had stated, but the same sort of progression as is seen
in programming, where problems are noticed, searched out, and corrected'.
I wanted to make it obvious that this is _not_ the case when 'push-button'
artwork is the sort being created, as in the cases I brought forth.


On a side-note.. on the "everyone wants to be an artist" note.  Artistic
ability is not a "you're born with it or you're not" ability.  Some people
are inclined towards it, and others have to work harder, just like with
every other skill.

I have met _no one_ who was truly unable to draw, once given proper
instructions and an hour or two of practice.

If you consider yourself 'inartistic', do yourself a favour and read
"Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain", by Betty Edwards (I believe
that's her name.. I haven't read the book in years).. and faithfully
follow the exercises.  Edition 1 had slightly better samples for the
exercises, Edition 2 has supplementary information on the use of colour.
Both are excellent... unfortunately, my copies of each edition are
currently about 80,000 miles away, as the mole burrows.  ;)

Extra side-note, on the 'Kai Krause' note.  Please don't take this as an
attack on Kai.  In every discussion I've ever seen on the issue, Kai has
taken the stance of "These are tools for an artist's use.  They are the
equivalent of brushes and pencils, and must be weilded with as much skill
and emotion".  While Kai and I have had some major and intensely vocal
arguments over user interface design, he does have the proper attitude
towards the use of his tools.  It's just the toolsets which bear his name
and which are advertised as "now you too can produce incredible artwork,
no skill required" packages with which I disagree.

Trevor Powell

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From: [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: is there a way to model objects from blueprints
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Well, since a blueprint presumably has accurate measurements of every
conceivable portion of the structure it would be one of the EASIEST sources for
modeling.  Most likely the blueprint will be in the feet/inches method, so
switch Modeler to English in the Display/Options panel.

From there, just start entering the values from the blueprint...

-David


In article <4m706l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>If I had/made a blueprint with all three axes, is there a system bywhich
>you can model your objects? is there a lightwavepro issue that shows how
>to do this? thx for your info.
>
>Emmanuel


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On 4/30/96 2:19PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Hal Hickel
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Can we please leave VIFX out of any list of top quality CGI houses?  I have
> > seen their work.
> >
> > By the way, perhaps you are not aware of the NT group at Digital Domain
> > currently running Lighwave?  As for your price listing of the average Alias
> > animator in "Hollywood" (72,000), the average Lightwave figure is around
> > $91,000 (at 52 weeks).   I'll stick with Lightwave for awhile.
> >
> > --
> >                       -=Fred=-
>
>
> Ouch Fred, is that kinda crap really necessary? It allways smacks of
> insecurity when I see someone slam another shop wholesale like that,
> really weak. And average saleries? Come on, there is no reliable way any
> of you guys can state "average saleries". There is no quantfiable data
> on this, and unless you've personally worked at at least 20 different
> shops or can cite some kind of reliable survey, I think you should just
> stop spouting off.
>

I have worked at three shops and have friends at another 5 including ILM, Sony,
Dreamworks, Disney, and two post houses.  I KNOW the average salaries in
question. As for knocking VIFX, they are the ONLY company I would knock as a
whole.  I have NEVER seen anything top notch come out of there.  Did you see
their work in Broken Arrow or Down Periscope?  Ugh.



> >Those figures are what most Lightwave people charge PER
> >SHOT, so assuming they turn in a couple of shots per week--not unlikely >for
> TV--they can make twice as much, and having an Alpha means they can >actually
> deliver that many shots (or more).   You are also wrong about >the quantity
> of Alias animators.  We get TONS of demo reels every week. >Schools such as
> Art Center in Pasadena are churning out more animators >all the time.  There
> isn't a glut of animators yet, but there will be >soon.
>
>
> What kind of animation are you guys talking about? If you're talking
> about CG character animation then you aren't talking about Lightwave
> (Yeah, yeah, I've seen the m&m spots, they are an exception), and you're
> definetely not talking about some animator cranking out feature quality
> animation at a rate of several shots per week. Not if those shots are
> expected to rise above Reboot quality. In fact I don't see how people
> can argue about something so ill defined from the outset, and in such an
> uninformed way. Besides there is so much more too it than pay, like oh
> for instance, what kind of project is it and is it interesting in the
> least. I see so much mail about "what kind of software should I learn to
> get a good job as an animator" and it's just sickening, it's so
> backwards.   -H


First of all, one animator doesn't crank out one feature quality animation shot
in one week, let alone several shots, in ANY shop.  If you know anyone more
informed than me or my friends, I'd be happy to learn from them.  I've been out
here in Hollywood doing CGI for over 3 years (not a world record, I know) and
have done film, TV series (several), commercials, trailers, games, and
pre-visualization.  I have worked for several production companies, three of
which are/were top visual effects houses.  I also know the salary structure of
the CGI Department on IATSE since I am one of the charter members responsible
for creating those salaries/classes.  I'm not saying this to brag, I'm just
trying to shut up those stupid "where do you get your information" whinings
that people are so fond of here. So, I've told you about me, now what about
you?  Who informs YOU?

--
                      -=Fred=-
    Feature Film Animator Using LIGHTWAVE at Digital Domain
            (perhaps you've heard of it?)

PS: ILM was just unionized so now it will be very easy to figure out the
average salaries there (at least the union minimums)


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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
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Britt wrote:
>
> Subject:
>             3RD Dimension Technologies
>        Date:
>             Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:58:38 -0700
>        From:
>             Britt <[e-mail]>
> Organization:
>             NONE
>  Newsgroups:
>             comp.graphics.misc
>
> Someone had posted an inquiry with respect to the company 3RD Dimension
> Technologies, Inc. I bought their software 3D expres. I have to admit, it
> is a tough program, but their is a learning curve to anything. It took me
> about 3 weeks to complete my first project and another week to get paid
> for it. The company is new but they did answer all my questions with
> respect to tech support. Subsequently, they sent me a new subcontractors
> reference manual that comprehensively explains how to communicate and
> ultimately "DO BUSINESS" with 3RD Dimension. I found it very handy and
> wish they would of shipped it with my original package, it would of saved
> me time. Anyway they probably are shipping it with all their software,
> hopefully.
>
> I hope this sheds some light on my experience with 3RD Dimension
> Technologies, Inc.
>
> Catch YA!
>
> Britt

This is very sad.  They are now spamming the newgroups w/ "testimonials" to
lure suckers into their scam.  Why have we never seen "Britt" here before?
Why have other people from other newsgroups also seen this guy and his
testimonials suddenly surface?  Why does 3rd Dimension Tech. not only feel
it necessary to crosspost to over a dozen newsgroups at once, but also to do
it 2-3 times a month?

There was a time when companies would never even attempt this type of scam
over the Internet.  I can only surmise that this is an indication that the
average IQ of the Internet is dropping, and the result is intelligence
insulting crap like this. :(

No offense personally to you "Britt"... if you even exist.
--

Bryant Reif
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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What were once some good threads compairing packages have turned
into childish name calling and ego flexing. People, try to remember
you are professionals. Please have respect for other peoples ideas.
If you want to discuss various packages, and pros and cons when
compaired to Lightwave, by all means that is good. But keep your
personal attacks and inflated egos out of it. This is just my
opinion on a few threads which I think have gotten out of control.

Jeff
--
Sr. Programmer 3
Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Emerging Technology Studio

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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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Todd Carlson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi,
>I have 3D Studio R4 with Yost Disk 1-7 and many other IPAS's and am
>looking for a fair trade for Lightwave or Softimage.  E-mail me and
>questions.

Fair trade: 3DSr4 for Softimage? That seems fair... NOT!




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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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[e-mail] (Kreg Branden) wrote:
>  The guy (I have no idea what his name is) that animated the T.rex
>chasing the jeep (in JP) said that the shot took him three months to
>animate.  I could be wrong.  I'm remembering this from the Making of
>Jurassic Park that aired about a year and a half ago.
>
>  Kreg Branden
>  -  Meme-X  -

The "guy" in question is Steve "Spaz" Williams, a Sheridan College
[Oakville, Ontario, Canada] classical animation grad.

I didn't see "The Making of Jurassic Park" but I do recall that it
did take about that long for that shot. Interestingly, Steve said
that running the T-Rex backwards helped him get the motion "just
right".

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 Phoenix Interactive Design, Inc.  |
 graphics ¤ animation ¤ multimedia |   "Complex problems have simple,
 [e-mail]             | easy-to-understand, wrong answers."
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From: [e-mail] (Fusion Films)
Subject: Re: Volumetric lighting
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Jeff Jasper ([e-mail]) wrote:

: And I would like to see something done in Lightwave.

: Jeff
: --

Well.... I seem to recall Amblin doing some composites and rig removal on
interior shots on Star Trek (JG, GT, care to comment?)

You've probably already seen photoreal LW stuff and didn't notice it.

BTW... I'm still waiting to see YOUR great Max stuff.

Paul

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: How about the Voyager ship?  I know it may not look photoreal, but then
: again it's not supposed to.  It's supposed to look like the model,
: which it does exactly.

: As I remember Jeff, I sent you an image of some water that I was
: working on several months ago, and you said that "it looked like a
: photograph"  Was that real enough? :-)

: GT


Now Greg.... You know Jeff is never going to accept YOUR work.... I'm
mean really, you ONLY work at Digital Domain - what the heck would
someone from Digtial Domain know about photoreal animating ;-)

Paul


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3
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Forgive my math - but didn't the numbers of the 500 Mhz Raptor vs 200 Mzh
P6 amount to a 3x speed increase for a 4x price increase?

Did I miss something? Seriously.....

A 500 Mhz Alpha is a fast machine - they will have 600Mhz machines by
fall, I bet....but price/performance is a crucial thing - no?


_____________________________________________
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"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
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From: [e-mail] (Carlos Rego)
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Subject: Cybervision for Sale
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I have a brand new Cybervision for Sale, it's a 4MB ver, and it has only 1 1/2
motnhs, it coust me 640$, make an offer....

<tsb>
Amiga 4000 / 2.5 GB HD / 16+2 MB Ram / PAR + 1.25 GB / 17" DIGITAL / 1080 /
Cybervision 64 4MB / 2X CD-Rom / Toaster 4.1 / LightWave 4.0 / Imagine 4.0 ..
Shapeshifter 3.4 / System 7.5.1 / 500 MB HD / 14 Mb Ram

Carlos Rego . Computer Artist . E-Mail: [e-mail] . #Undernet:Carlos_R .
HTTP://www.ici.net/cust_pages/carlos/carlos.html

        Amiga Rulez (But I trade mine for an ONYX anytime)
<sb>


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Subject: Re: WIN95 better than OS/2 PLEASE!!!!
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The Amiga multi tasked properly in 512k, on an 8 mHz processor in 1987.
Relatively speaking (taking Hware development and time into account), I
think both these newer OS's are crap compared to what we should have.

IMHO We have to put up with them because they can be bolted together and
sold to mickey mouse users, who are the biggest market.

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I am considering buying lightwave 5. but it greatly now depends on which one
do I buy. I am a student so therefore i can buy that one, it would be good
it is cheaper. But which one i buy the 1495 or the $895 ?? will depend on
the licence that comes with it. Can anyone please tell me what the licence
differences for them.

I would like to use lightwave to produce game graphics and then sell the
games. Of course I would be writing the code but I was wondering does
the student pricing allow me to use the graphics I make in possible
commerical products?

thank you

Kim


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In article <4m5rpk$[e-mail]>, Elden Bishop
<[e-mail]> writes
>The only lightwave dealer I can find in Britain is charging 1900
>dollars for lightwave 5.0. This seemed a little high. Does anyone know
>the suggested retail for 5.0? Is there a student price?
>

Break out your visa card and phone NewTek yourself. You'll have to pay
VAT at 17.5%, there's no import duty on software, but you'll still be
saving plenty. I alwats buy direct from the US if I can.

Gwynne.

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* London, UK                                                          *
* Tel: [phone]                   A Vision For All Reasons       *
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Rainman wrote:
>
> hi
> I am working on a research project with Motion JPEG clips.  I was looking
> for AVI or QT clips with JPEG frames.  I beleive that there are a lot of
> hardware boards that are capable of generating these clips. I have been
> working in this area for 4 months and I have not come across a single
> motion JPEG clip.

The main problem with motion jpeg is there is no standard; i.e a clip
recorded on say a Targa 2000 even though it's a .avi won't play on a
system without a targa 2000. Usually people capture the video to the
native motion jpeg and convert to a "normal" avi or QT from there. There
is a jpeg variant of QT (my SGI will make them) but they playback badly
and are probably not widely used because of that (however they probably
make quite a good non-realtime transfer format).
--
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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: Re: Graphics Job Offer AVOID
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> KM wrote:
> >
> > WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER
> >
> > 3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company
> >
> > searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist
> >
> > in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or
> > better.
> >
> > (Building 3D Geometry Only)
> >
> > System Requirements
> >
> > 486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
> > IBM PC or compatable
> > Super VGA Color Monitor
> > Running Windows 3.1 or better
> >
> > For more info call Tracy or Robin U.S 800/455-3558
> >
> > Outside U.S 818/865-8210

If a man asks you to get into his car, you'd tell him no, right? So just
tell these guys you already have Extreme 3D. Model the stuff in LW and
convert the files to DXF. Then see if they're serious about giving you
money for modelling.

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Howdy,

In the next couple of days I will have purchased all the parts I want for
a new very very fast machine.

Does anyone actually have a Pentium Pro out there ??  Running Win-NT ?
How much faster is it too the P5 ?  Is worth going to, or would a dual
P5-133 be better ??

Ive heard the performance, even under Win-NT is not all that great.

Please reply, as this is urgent.

Thnax
Dwight.

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On 4/28/96 6:51PM, in message <4m1afm$[e-mail]>, Richard Garrison
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> We have been through this discussion how many times before?BTW how
> much film work have you done with LW lately vs. Alias? Write me a list
> of companies that pay more for a LW artist as opposed to Alias, I
> would love to see it. Take a look at the www.3dsite.com  for companies
> hiring and tell me how many job listings you see asking for LW
> animators , sounds like delusions of grandeur to me. BTW while you are
> at it ask SKG why they chose Poweranimator over lightwave for their
> production company, etc. etc. etc. I own and use both so I think I am
> qualified to give the opinion that I did. How about yourself? I do
> find useful tools in both programs, but if you are going to tell me
> that LW is in anyway shape or form superior to Alias then I would have
> to simply laugh in your face.


Is that nothing in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

There are quite a few shapes and forms that Lightwave is better than Alias and
SI.  NOT in every way of course, but then again there are ways that SI and
Alias are unequal as well.  Why are there no listings on the 3Dsite for
Lightwave users?  Here are a couple of reasons:

1.  Who needs it?
2.  Who cares?
3.  The Lightwave community has other ways of finding talent.
4.  We don't bother posting there.

Why did DW go with Power Animator over Lightwave? First of all, I don't think
they should just have one or the other.  Second, gee, do you think that a big
reason could be that SGI is a major investor?  If you want to know Steven's
opinion of Lightwave, why don't you just ask him?  Ask him what he thought of
our work too while you're at it.  Go ahead, he doesn't bite.  Also, Interactive
DOES have Lightwave, and as for Animation, if you only knew the whole story...
(hint, ask around at the top)

>  If Amblin mgt.had been a little more
> flexible in the SW dept. as opposed to being blinded by their attitude
> that LW was the end all program fro 3D  you guy's might have still
> been in business and got some real film work. I suggest you do some
> homework.
>
Is that smile on your face proof that ignorance is bliss?  I tend to think so,
but all I can go by is your post.
--
                      -=Fred=-

PS: How much film work have _I_ done lately with LW?  ALL of the work I've done
lately.  And let me tell you, I love it at Digital Domain.


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On 4/28/96 6:51PM, in message <4m1afm$[e-mail]>, Richard Garrison
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> We have been through this discussion how many times before?BTW how
> much film work have you done with LW lately vs. Alias? Write me a list
> of companies that pay more for a LW artist as opposed to Alias, I
> would love to see it. Take a look at the www.3dsite.com  for companies
> hiring and tell me how many job listings you see asking for LW
> animators , sounds like delusions of grandeur to me. BTW while you are
> at it ask SKG why they chose Poweranimator over lightwave for their
> production company, etc. etc. etc. I own and use both so I think I am
> qualified to give the opinion that I did. How about yourself? I do
> find useful tools in both programs, but if you are going to tell me
> that LW is in anyway shape or form superior to Alias then I would have
> to simply laugh in your face.


Is that nothing in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

There are quite a few shapes and forms that Lightwave is better than Alias and
SI.  NOT in every way of course, but then again there are ways that SI and
Alias are unequal as well.  Why are there no listings on the 3Dsite for
Lightwave users?  Here are a couple of reasons:

1.  Who needs it?
2.  Who cares?
3.  The Lightwave community has other ways of finding talent.
4.  We don't bother posting there.

Why did DW go with Power Animator over Lightwave? First of all, I don't think
they should just have one or the other.  Second, gee, do you think that a big
reason could be that SGI is a major investor?  If you want to know Steven's
opinion of Lightwave, why don't you just ask him?  Ask him what he thought of
our work too while you're at it.  Go ahead, he doesn't bite.  Also, Interactive
DOES have Lightwave, and as for Animation, if you only knew the whole story...
(hint, ask around at the top)

>  If Amblin mgt.had been a little more
> flexible in the SW dept. as opposed to being blinded by their attitude
> that LW was the end all program fro 3D  you guy's might have still
> been in business and got some real film work. I suggest you do some
> homework.
>
Is that smile on your face proof that ignorance is bliss?  I tend to think so,
but all I can go by is your post.
--
                      -=Fred=-

PS: How much film work have _I_ done lately with LW?  ALL of the work I've done
lately.  And let me tell you, I love it at Digital Domain.


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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Johan Otterstrom) writes:
> >OK, I just bought LW 3.5, and oh-my-goodness there's a dongle hanging off the
> >back of my machine.
>
> >I haven't seen any mention of this in the manual, so maybe the xperts here
> >can shed some light on this.
>
> >How can I get Layout to run on a Super72 Highres-interlaced (800X600) screen?
>
> >I figured out how to do it for Modeler (the Screenmode item in the config
> >file) but Layout continues to elude me.
>
> >Thanks
>
> Try a modepromotion utilty like NewMode.
>
>

I did just that (and it works great) except that now my render previews are
all screwed up. It looks like NewMode is promoting the render screen to a
non-HAM8 screen. I had a look at Newmode's screen database, and I can't seem
to find the render display screen so I can tell Newmode to promote it to HAM,
or not at all.

Any suggestions?

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Well, I finished watching Lee Stranahan's "Lightwave Essentials" tape last
night, and while I bet most of you have already seen it (as it came with LW
Amiga 3.5) I figured I'd toss in a few comments.

First, I am keeping in mind that it was made 3 years ago, and I assume this
was one of Lee's earlier efforts. It shows, a little. There's a few iffy
dissolves (on the keyboard closeups) and titles could have been used more
effectively.

However, in bang-for-buck, this is one of the better training films I've
seen. It's a pretty basic intro tape, but there's a few real nuggets in
there. I've just switched to LW after using Imagine from Turbo Silver right
up to 4.0 (so I'm an old hand at ray tracing) and there were a few concepts
in this tape that had me slapping the ol' forehead. (Doh!)

I've been really leery about buying training tapes, because to this point,
all the tapes I'd seen were of dubious value, but if the rest of the series
is like this tape, I'm in there.

Bottom line: Polish - 3 Content - 5


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Grant Ransom wrote:
>
> The Amiga multi tasked properly in 512k, on an 8 mHz processor in 1987.
> Relatively speaking (taking Hware development and time into account), I
> think both these newer OS's are crap compared to what we should have.
>
> IMHO We have to put up with them because they can be bolted together and
> sold to mickey mouse users, who are the biggest market.----------

Here, here. If ALL code today was written as tightly and efficiently (LW was mostly written
in machine code) as the Amiga, you wouldn't need all the extra RAM except for very large
3D or Print projects, for instance, the COMBINED executables for LW+Modeler are HALF the size
of the executable for 3DS.  You also would get a speed boost and mabey wouldn't have to break the
bank t get that ALpha upgrade.

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James Burns wrote:
>
> Re: Does Lightwave run good under 95 or NT4.0?
>
> Does Lightwave run WELL under 95 or NT4.0?
>                    ^^^^
>
> Geez...
>
> --
> -------------------------------
> James Burns
> Television graphic designer, graphics cop
> [e-mail]
> http://www.crl.com/~jpburns

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Mark Dunakin wrote:
>

> If this is true, then how come I am able to grab ONLY ONE frame out, if I want
> to, and send it over to my Mac and view it and change it around in PhotoShop.
> But you are right about the fact that nobody reads manuals anymore. I know for
> a fact that I have not read all of my manual just because I haven't had too
> much time untill lately, but I DO think that I am one of the FEW people who do
> spend the time to read the manuals........Anyway, I DO think that there is a
> way to do this kind of thing and in fact, I think someone has already posted
> something about ti that would work. If I find out what it is then I'll post
> it.......md

You can grab a frame because of the tricks that the PVR drivers pull off. Again,
you are looking at *virtual* files, not real ones in the animation directory. If
you pull one off for use in Photoshop, the PVR file system grabs that frame from
the animation and exports it to Photoshop. When you write it back to the animation,
the PVR file system imports and replaces that frame. The animation stays intact.

Think about it, what would be the consequence of deleting a frame from the middle
of an animation? You'd have a discontinuity.

That's what the Edit functions in the PVR Player are for. When you want to delete a
frame, or series of frames, the software splits the animation, cuts the frames you
specify, and then splices the animation back together. It's still one file.

In this particular way, DPS has done their job too well, they've convinced people
that there are multiple files all over their PVR drive, when in fact, there is only
the .pvd file and lots of slick programming.

BTW, I've never been able to get Photoshop to write a frame back to the PVR, but
Picture Publisher doesn't seem to have any problems.

--
Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
614.459.4404

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Jeff Jasper wrote:
>
> > Now that we have a workaround for multi-cameras in LW, I wonder how you would simulate
> > MetaNurbs in 3DSMAX? ;)
>
> MAX has real NURBS that stay NURBS via plug-in.
>
> Jeff
> --
> Sr. Programmer 3
> Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> Emerging Technology Studio-------------

Whoops, didn't know that, I am starting to shop around for 3D for my freelance work, already
know LW(but will closely examine 5.0) and would like to see a list of ALL features in 3DS MAX if you
can point me in the right direction.  Not to start in a war on this, but you DID say the word
"plug-in", didn't you?, I would hate to lay down $3,500 plus another $1,500 (for character studio)
only to find I still need yet ANOTHER !@#$%^& plug-in.  At that rate, Softimage starts to look
affordable(I have it and LW at work).  Yes, the missing features in LW5.0 will also be addressed
by the dreaded "plug-ins", but at least at an AFFORDABLE level.  I also heard that the native MAX
object/scene format is not compatable or portable with ANYTHING(it will import old .3ds files) and
that can also make a difference, many of us port objects back and forth between programs.

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From: [e-mail] (Blaise Fanning)
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Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3
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In article <4m78an$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Forgive my math - but didn't the numbers of the 500 Mhz Raptor vs 200 Mzh
>P6 amount to a 3x speed increase for a 4x price increase?
>

There is no way to tell what the price of the 500MHz machine will be.  The
machine at NAB was a technology demonstration, nothing more.  We are currently
shipping 366 and 400 MHz machines, with the specter of 433 MHz machines by
mid-year. (Is is "specter"?  I want to spell it "spectre"...)

This may surprise you, Lee, but I'll agree with your point :-)  The fastest
processor that we are shipping is often not a great deal.  There is usually a
"sweet spot" in pricing that is one notch below the fastest processor that we
are shipping at any given time.

Last year, that processor was the 266, because the 300 got you ~15%
performance increase and we charged people ~20% more. At this moment, it is
probably the 400MHz, because the 433 is the one that won't get you an
appropriate performance increase for your $.

I don't know about a "4x price increase".  This stems from two different
ignorances on my part:

    I don't know what a PPro200 loaded up with memory and an OpenGL card
    costs, except that Intergraph charges around $10k for theirs.

    I don't really know what our systems cost by the time they hit the end
    user.  Because we use dealers, the final price tag is not really up to us.


>Did I miss something? Seriously.....

Oh, probably :-)

>
>A 500 Mhz Alpha is a fast machine - they will have 600Mhz machines by
>fall, I bet....but price/performance is a crucial thing - no?
>

That particular processor will probably never go over 500MHz, although I
wouldn't mind being proven wrong.  The 21264, which is due out next year
sometime, will eventually get to 1GHz...and heat a 1000 sq. ft. home :-)




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[e-mail] (Trevor Powell) wrote:

>I don't get it.  Drawing is developed naturally because you do it all the
>time?  Why doesn't programming work the same way?

because... a person can teach him or herself to draw with no prior training,
just lots of practise. one must have at least _some_ background knowledge/
training in order to begin programming. you can't just tell some
uneducated shmoe to program something, but you could tell that same guy to
draw a picture of a house - and depending on his natural ability, he'll
draw a house that's either crap or great (or somewhere in between). at least
he can make an attempt. not so with programming. how could someone without
a clue write even a poor program?

--
Cam Wilson * [e-mail]
La Villa... Tempus Fugit... Warm Wet Circles
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In article <4m706l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia) says:
>
>
>If I had/made a blueprint with all three axes, is there a system bywhich
>you can model your objects? is there a lightwavepro issue that shows how
>to do this? thx for your info.
>
>Emmanuel

I haven't seen anything myself, but I have pondered the question before.
A blueprint should be one of the easier things to model from since
you have all the dimensions before you. If you can scan your
print, it might be interesting to load it into modeler, (if it's not too
complex) as a background image. From there you could visually compare
your object with the print as you work on top of it. I don't think
this would be a very effecient way of modeling, but it might provide
a good reference point beyond just using your trusty measuring stick.

There are also programs out there that claim to make 3D models from
2D pictures. Visual Software has one called Wireframe Express
(1-800-881-4108) and there's a program called Photo Modeler that is
supposed to do the same. I believe you can download a demo from
http://www.wimsey.com/photomodeler/  .I haven't tried either of these
programs and I'm not sure how compatible they are with Lightwave, but you
might want to check them out.


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Dan Ablan wrote:
>
> emmanuel olympia wrote:
> >
> > just wondering if this is worth buying to put textures and image maps on
> > objects.
>
>         I've played around with it at a friend's studio.
>         It's actually pretty cool.
>         BUT! What I like better, although still limited,
>         is Fori's Power Texture Plug In in 5.0.
>         I was able to map an image of a human face on
>         a 3D model in minutes.
>
>         Dan
>
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> Dan Ablan
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> Chicago, Illinois
> http://www.agadigital.com
>
>         "Some people wanted Champagne and Caviar,
>         when they really should have had beer and hot dogs."
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Does anyone know if FORI's Power Texture is included in LW5.0? I saw it at NAB and it was great.

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From: Charles Ng <[e-mail]>
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I am SUPERly getting tired of the 3rd Dimension thing here in the newsgroup. I think
they do have enough ads on the mags already. I JUST don't understand why they keep on
sending repeating messages onto the net, asking people to pay $ to buy a 'proprietary'
program for a particular use (for themselves) and then do something super time consuming
but with minimal return.

I just hope that they understand their ads here in the net are USELESS posts. CUT THAT
OUT please.


Sorry for being so harsh, but I am very annoyed by the 3rd Dimension thing, even the
name here in the newsgroup. I know I am very impolite, but ... hope U guys understand.


LSam
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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Derek Lang ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >Or should have delayed 4.1 until they could stick 5.0 on the CDs
: >
: >Chris
: Are you implying that lightwave 5.0 comes on floppies?  (if so how many?)

I just stumbled arcoss this one,,,

No it DOES come on CD...but I meant 5.0 on the Video Toaster CD instead
of VT 4.1 and LW 4.0  Have VT 4.1 and LW 5.0

Chris


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Gaven Eogan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I would really like to tell you where to go with your snide and elitist
: comment but netiquette prevents me from using such four letter words...

go ahead.,won't bother me....You could e-mail him  :)


Chris


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Just compared Soft Image with Lightwave.
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In article <[e-mail]>, cjtsui <[e-mail]> wrote:


>
> anyways, I've heard a lot of great things about Softimage, but looking
at it, it doesn't seem to be the end of
> the world that people think it is.

No, that would be Alias PowerAnimator.  ;-)

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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In article <4m5cip$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:

> As for the other posters comment on what films use Alias's renderer,
> you won't see too many, as Alias's renderer is rarely used because:

It's true... Alias's renderer (while the absolute best on the market,
better than RenderMan) is a little too slow for production work
(animation) but for stills, you _cannot_ begin to come close to matching
it with Lightwave (or almost anything else)

> 4.  You have to have an Alias license on every machine used to render.

Just a rendering lisence, not the whole package.

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

>                       -=Fred=-
>     Feature Film Animator Using LIGHTWAVE at Digital Domain
>             (perhaps you've heard of it?)

Fred -

Why are you so protective of Lightwave??  Have you ever even really used
anything else (not _seen_, but _used_).

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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In article [e-mail], "Michael R. Rose" <[e-mail]> writes:
> Nate Hayes wrote:
> >
> > > yep. you should have got the millenuim
> >
> > NOT!!!
> >
> > Millenium 3D is for games.
> >
> > Try a GLyder board from Symmetric instead.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > Nate
>
> Okay, but can you use the GLyder for games? ;)

Umm... with Direct3D... Why not?!? Is there something absolute
special on this card which makes it impossible to use it with
the DirectX-module(s) by Microsoft?

bye

Andrew



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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: PVR and Premeire 4.2 ??
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 10:35:40 -0500
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Geir Otto Molstad wrote:
>
> Nate Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Yes, you can capture video and audio from within Premiere. It also has
> >full support for batch capture, timecode, and EDLs.
>
> Can you control your deck rs422/lanc/???


Yes.

Nate

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Subject: Re: Know any ftp/web sites with Lightwave objects?
Date: 1 May 1996 15:59:21 GMT
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Sam Edsall ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Do you know of any ftp or web sites that have lightwave objects to download?

Check out tomahawk.grandi.com (via FTP), your one stop LightWave3D shop.  :)


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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: Re: HIIP.DLL for Win'95 wanted!!!
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>
>
> I can't run my LW4 for Win'95, apparently because of lacking HIIP.DLL
> file.
>
> Please, someone send me this file, or where can I find it?
>
>

On the Lightwave CD/install disks, actually.

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Davis)
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Subject: Re: WIN95 better than OS/2 PLEASE!!!!
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[e-mail] wrote:

>[e-mail] (me) wrote:

>>I have a horror story for your. Yes, I run OS/2 Warp. Three weeks
>>ago I purchased a 1.62 GIG drive. Afer installing the drive, I divided
>>it into four parts (2 are HPFS, one FAT and one EXT2) After formating
>>the HPFS partition I thought I would try to move the programs off of
>>the first drive (less than 150 meg) so I vould free up some space. I
>>marrily began gragging the needed dir fron drive C: and dropped them
>>onto the F: drive. After moveing a half dozen dirs I went to try to update
>>th path to the icons. To my horror, the paths were already updated!

>>I hate it when an OS does something as powerful as knowing when apps are
>>moved on the machine. :)

>hahaha Very true. I've told people similar stories when I've tried to
>explain to them why Win95's desktop is _NOT_ object oriented. If you'd
>tried the same thing with Win95 you'd have spent hours updating all of
>those stupid little "shortcuts" (which do nothing more than eat up
>valuable HD space, one cluster at a time).


Not true.  I am still at a loss on how exactly Win95 shortcuts are
handled.  I thought I knew the pattern but a recent experience proved
me wrong.

I moved several items from one drive to the next fully expecting to
update all the shortcuts.  To my surprise some of them updated
themselves.  If moving within a drive, they usually will get found the
first time you launch the program.

It is not quite as bad as opponents would have people believe.










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From: Gwynne Reddick <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> writes


>What a pain in the butt. Select the camera, unparent, scroll through object
>list to pick new parent, etc. My average character alone has 90 objects at
>least! And I often have multiple characters in a scene!

That's my biggest wish - some way to split up the lists into more
manageable chunks. IM oh so HO it's the biggest single pain in the but
with LW.

Gwynne.

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From: Dan Ablan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Pentium Pro System
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 11:22:53 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I am going to buy a Pentium Pro 200mHz system with the following
> configuration, and I am wondering if it would be an optimal system
> configuration for running Lightwave 5.0?
>
> -200mHz Pentium Pro Processor
> -64 RAM (Upgradeable to 128MB)
> -Adaptec AHA-2940UW controller
> -Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST3437W 4GB Hard Disk
> -Iomega Jaz 1GB Portable Hard Disk
> -6X SCSI-2 CD-ROM
> -16 Bit Soundscape Ensoniq Elite Wavetable Sound Card
> -28.8 Baud Fax/Modem
> -21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
> -Windows 3.51 (or 4.0 if available)
>
> Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
> comments on this would be greatly appreciated!

    This seems good, however,
    you'll need a graphics card with at least 4MB on it.
    4.0 NT right?
    The JAZ removables are only internal at the moment.
    External's aren't out yet.. not in Chicago anyway.

    Good Luck.
    And if you happend to double your order,
    send a system my way.

    Dan :)
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Subject: Re: anyone use meshpaint?
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> >         I've played around with it at a friend's studio.
> >         It's actually pretty cool.
> >         BUT! What I like better, although still limited,
> >         is Fori's Power Texture Plug In in 5.0.
> >         I was able to map an image of a human face on
> >         a 3D model in minutes.

> Does anyone know if FORI's Power Texture is included in LW5.0? I saw it at NAB and it was great.


        Ah, yeah. It's included. Plug In city!

        DA

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From: [e-mail] (Dan Zimmerman)
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Subject: PVR for Sale
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I have a PVR for sale. It is 9 Months old, and comes with the
capture-daughtercard. It runs without any problems and is still under warranty.
I'm asking U.S. $ 2000.
If you're interested, e-mail me at [e-mail]

Dan Zimmerman
EuroTech Productions

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From: [e-mail] (Future Communication Services)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: 2.1 - 4.3 GIG HARDDRIVES FOR SALE AT HALF OF WHOLESALE.  *NEW*
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-Drives For Sale-


I have had many requests for the harddrives that i had for sale.
I'm going to state what i have left, and anyone who is interested
can reply via email with the number of drives you want, the drive
model #, and your address you would like it shipped COD to and
your voice number.

All of the drives are new.  All of the drives have been checked
to make sure they arent dead.  I will guarantee the drives
against DOA.  The drives *are not under warranty*.  They are
brand new, however, and they are selling for half of the retail
price, so a warranty shouldnt matter.  They are not under
warranty because you (the consumer) are the third party to own
the drives, and manufactures will not warranty the drives.  But
for the price they are selling at, you can take it and have it
reparied and still come out ahead.  The drives arent in the
original boxes because i didnt have room to store them, so i
took them out of the boxes and put them in one.  However, the
drives are new, and you can check the manufacturer date on
the drive.

Why am i selling the drives so cheap?  A friend of mine, who
retaield the things, was in money trouble.. and I bought the
drives from him to get him out of money trouble.  *Im just
looking to get rid of the damn things.*  This isnt a continual
business, and is a one time offer.  Dont email me after this!!


Drives left:

(6) Micropolis 4221:     $400.00/ea
                         These drives are 2.1 GB SCSI/2 3.5"
                         without a SCSI controller.  These
                         are NOT audio/video drives.

(1) Micropolis 4221AV:   $450.00
             This drive is a 2.1 GB SCSI/2 3.5"
                         without a SCSI controller.  This
                         drive is about $50.00 more and
                         enhanced for audio/video editing.

(2) Micropolis 3243AV:   $600.00
             This drive is a 4.29 GB SCSI/2 3.5"
                         without a SCSI controller.  This
                         drive is about $50.00 more and
                         enhanced for audio/video editing.

(1) Seagate Baracuda ST15150N:   $650.00
                         This drive is a 4.2 GB SCSI/2
                         without a SCSI controller.  This
                         drive i believe (not sure) can
                         be used for audio/video editing.


(2) Quantum Atlas QM34300AL:
                         This drive is a 4.3 GB SCSI/2
                         without scsi controller.  I
                         believe this can be used for
                         audio/video usage, but you'd
                         need to double check with
                         quantum for the access speeds
                         etc.

-------Add $35.00 PER DRIVE FOR FEDEX COD SHIPPING--------

***If you are looking for orders of more than ONE drive, I
might be able to possibly obtain more drives from m
friend.  However, if you are only looking for one drive
I won't be willing to do this.****

If youre interested, email the following info to
[e-mail]:

Name
Address
Address
Address
Phone Number
Drive(s) Model # + Quantity

Total Price


All drives will be shipped COD.

Here are the price quotes from NECX on the drives I am selling
(www.necx.com):

4221 2.1GB SCSI-2 3.5" W/O CONTROLLER    BCP $ 609.95
4221AV 2.1GB SCSI-2 3.5"                 BCP $ 664.95
3243AV 4.29GB SCSI-2 3.5"                BCP $1049.95
BARRACUDA 4 ST15150N 4.2GB SCSI II       BCP $1249.95
ATLAS QM34300AL 4.3GB SCSI II            BCP $ 999.95

***PLUS SHIPPING, HANDLING, AND CLUB REGISTRATION FEES***

If you have any questions, email me!


Scott.



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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
---snip---
>You aren't talking to someone who just fell off the turnip truck. You can
>narrow any one advantage of ANY feature and figure a workaround. But
>it is not the same as that feature. I use 5 or 6 cameras for such a
>variety of things that it saves me tons of time. Some are "online", that
>is they'll be used for renders, some are "offline", which means I use it
>for looking at the detail of some piece of animation to zero in on problems.
>The fact that it's a click of an Icon away makes it easy to use constantly.
>I mean, every 2 minutes or so.
>
>: One you have your "null cameras" set you can tweek the texturing and
>: lighting.  Before you render just parent the camera to a null camera to
>: get a particular shot.
>
>What a pain in the butt. Select the camera, unparent, scroll through object
>list to pick new parent, etc. My average character alone has 90 objects at
>least! And I often have multiple characters in a scene!
>
>I mean, you guys are figuring nice workarounds, but you should just ask
>Newtek to put it in a future version. If you constantly act like there's no
>need, they'll never put it in.

Who says we don't ask?  NewTek (Fori, Stuart, and Allen in particular) has
this feedback and more.  They also read this newsgroup as you already
know.  Some of these features like multiple cameras are lower on the
priority list but they are listening.

These suggestions are workarounds indeed, but creating workarounds in a
particular system is all part of the software mastery process.  ALL 3D
software (including MAX, Alias, and SoftImage etc.) at some point will
force you to either create a workaround or abandon the project.  Which
option would you choose?


BTW, while you may feel that these suggestions are rather pedestrian,
there are a lot of less seasoned users in this newsgroup that may
appreciate them; and isn't that what this group is all about?

-Lyle Milton
-One And Only Media


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From: Betty Cunningham <[e-mail]>
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Cam Wilson wrote:

> because... a person can teach him or herself to draw with no prior training,
> just lots of practise. one must have at least _some_ background knowledge/
> training in order to begin programming. you can't just tell some
> uneducated shmoe to program something, but you could tell that same guy to
> draw a picture of a house - and depending on his natural ability, he'll
> draw a house that's either crap or great (or somewhere in between). at least
> he can make an attempt. not so with programming. how could someone without
> a clue write even a poor program?

   Silly, how can anyone draw a picture of a house and get it into a video game without some
exposure to art tools other than a pencil and paper?  And if it's for a 3d game, I'd like to see
you ask, say, your mom, or your grocery sore clerk, to 'draw'/make a house for the game in 3d.
  What, no training?  But you don't need training to be an artist, right?
  You need training to do programming, and some people have an inherent ability to do math and
logic, only it takes training do DO the programming.  It's the same for ART for games.  Some
people have an inherent skill to DRAW what they visualize, but that does not nessessarily make
them an acceptable game artist.  Suppose they could only draw pictures of houses?

(sheesh)
-Betty Cunningham
illustrator, animator, and likes to collect dead things

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From: [e-mail] (Al Mejias)
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Subject: Re: Pentium Pro System
Date: 1 May 1996 13:05:21 -0400
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In article <4m6bbq$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () writes:

>I am going to buy a Pentium Pro 200mHz system with the following
>configuration, and I am wondering if it would be an optimal system
>configuration for running Lightwave 5.0?
>
>-200mHz Pentium Pro Processor
>-64 RAM (Upgradeable to 128MB)
>-Adaptec AHA-2940UW controller
>-Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST3437W 4GB Hard Disk
>-Iomega Jaz 1GB Portable Hard Disk
>-6X SCSI-2 CD-ROM
>-16 Bit Soundscape Ensoniq Elite Wavetable Sound Card
>-28.8 Baud Fax/Modem
>-21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
>-Windows 3.51 (or 4.0 if available)
>
>Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
>comments on this would be greatly appreciated!
>

Hi,

Do not get the Soundscape Ensoniq sound card. You should look at another
card. Last I heard the Creative Labs AWE 32 can take a DSP chip and is
recomended by DPS for the PVR.

Al Mejias
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in action
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Well, thanks - I had nothing to do with the production on that tape, so
it's a real good review for me. (I'm producing the next tapes we're doing
myself.)

The 5.0 tapes we have coming out featuring my brother Ken should be
AMAZING - he's really a great LightWave Innovator. I'm also happy about
Access Denied : The Craft Of Visual Effects Filmmaking because I really do
think it will help a lot of people make their own movies, or get jobs in
the industry at least...

Anyway, nice to hear nice things.....



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: 500Mhz Raptor 3
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This may surprise you, Lee, but I'll agree with your point :-)  The
fastest
processor that we are shipping is often not a great deal.  There is
usually a
"sweet spot" in pricing that is one notch below the fastest processor that
we
are shipping at any given time.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, correct - my post wasn't at ALL meant to be a slam on Deskstation. I
just didn't think people were looking at price/performance - which is the
crucial stat in my mind. The same math applies to all CPU purchases.

There are advantages in having a VERY fast CPU on your desk, because you
don't want to use Screamernet to do test renders.  The faster your
'creation station' is, the better, in my mind. For the renderfarm, it's
POSSIBLE that 50 p6s would be faster than 15 Alphas at the same
cost....but of course there are other considerations then, such as power
use, space, etc, etc...


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Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW vs. Whatever, has turned counter productive
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Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What were once some good threads compairing packages have turned
>into childish name calling and ego flexing. People, try to remember
>you are professionals. Please have respect for other peoples ideas.
>If you want to discuss various packages, and pros and cons when
>compaired to Lightwave, by all means that is good. But keep your
>personal attacks and inflated egos out of it. This is just my
>opinion on a few threads which I think have gotten out of control.
>
>Jeff
>--
>Sr. Programmer 3
>Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
>Emerging Technology Studio

I'm casting MY vote for Jeff:})

I think that a lot of valuable info is being lost in the grand expanse of
those threads.  Typically, someone will post mothods for creating tools,
work-a-rounds, or effects in LightWave in response to a slam.

Let's start an experiment:  If you (meaning anyone who reads this) post
messages in those threads, and are proposing valuable workarounds or
effects, repost the info portion as a NEW post.  This way we can be sure
that everyone can gain access to it.

-Lyle Milton
-One And Only Media



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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
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Subject: Re: GLASS
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In article <4lq76a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>hye,
>
>i am a new LightWave's user and i would to know how
>to create a very realistic glass texture;
>I tried to change refraction'indix to 0.6 and 0.8
>( i don't remember if it's 0.6 or 0.8 for the glass)
>for a transparency sphere with a other chekerboard texture
>sphere behind the firts but nothing appear.
>
>HELP ME PLEASE !!!
>

Steph, may I call you Steph?

One thing to remember, glass is in most cases a product of its reflection and
its refraction. Make sure you render out a short scene (low res. will do)
tracing the reflections (even if its just fractals) and the refraction.
In the scene, you must have either camera or object movement.

I’ve seen some scenes that had the reflections turned up so high in order to
get a good effect in a still frame, that when they were rendered, the movement
made the glass look ridiculous.

BTW, I’ve found that the best glass reflections use the Ray Tracing +
Spherical Map setting for its reflection option. If you have not yet rendered
movement, you’re probably closer than you think.

Good Luck,

Scott at GBI


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From: [e-mail] (Gord Bowman)
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Subject: Q: Converting LW objects to VRML?
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I'm creating a VRML (virtual reality markup language) web site and I'd like to use
LightWave to create the objects. Is there, or are there plans for, a plug-in to
allow LightWave to save objects and scenes to VRML?

Gord



Gord Bowman ([e-mail]) - Research/Development Engineer
Atlantis Scientific Systems Group Inc. (http://www.atlsci.com)
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From: [e-mail] (Richard)
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Subject: Re: Pentium Pro System
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> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > I am going to buy a Pentium Pro 200mHz system with the following
> > configuration, and I am wondering if it would be an optimal system
> > configuration for running Lightwave 5.0?
> >
> > -200mHz Pentium Pro Processor
> > -64 RAM (Upgradeable to 128MB)
> > -Adaptec AHA-2940UW controller
> > -Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST3437W 4GB Hard Disk
> > -Iomega Jaz 1GB Portable Hard Disk
> > -6X SCSI-2 CD-ROM
> > -16 Bit Soundscape Ensoniq Elite Wavetable Sound Card
> > -28.8 Baud Fax/Modem
> > -21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
> > -Windows 3.51 (or 4.0 if available)
> >
> > Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
> > comments on this would be greatly appreciated!
>


You neglected to specify what brand of P6. Be sure it is on the
MicroSoft HW compatibility list for Win NT.

I caught wind of a problem with the Orion chip set and PCI bus
performance. Anybody got any details? or pointers to articles/official sources?

For LW5.0 you will want to consider getting an openGL accelerated display
card, but it certainly isn't necessary to start out.
At the current time you'll pay 1.5k and up for openGL acceleration.
Is it worth it? depends on what you do.

FWIW, Matrox doesn't seem to be getting too many complaints.
I've had bad luck with Diamond. Very poor tech support which seems to
be the norm in the PC market. Volume markets do have draw backs especially
when the stuff doesn't work together well it tends to overload tech support
Your mileage will almost certainly vary.

<<<<=======================================================================
    Richard Norman                              [e-mail]
      AMIGA --- Amazing Multitasking Interactive Graphics & Animation
          Amiga Networking FAQ   /pub/aminet/docs/help/anetfaq.lzh
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|>> I'd really like to see something done with MAX that WAS trying to look truly
|>> photoreal (so you can't tell it's CGI).
|>
|>And I would like to see something done in Lightwave.
|>
|>Jeff
|>--
|>Sr. Programmer 3
|>Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
|>Emerging Technology Studio
|>
  And I would like this whole pissing contest to go away. It's pretty apparent
 at this point who likes LW, who likes Max and they are never going to agree.
 I don't see the value the above brings to ANY list.

 -bill

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From: Henri Smulders <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Pentium Pro System
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> Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
> comments on this would be greatly appreciated!

    Looks like a dream system to me. However I do not see a graphics card! Have you thought about
that. You'll want one supporting OpenGl (And direct3d for the occasional game ;-)

    Hajo

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From: Tim Wilson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: MeshPaintNT Wanted
Date: 1 May 1996 18:37:09 GMT
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I'm looking for a new copy of MeshPaint NT at a decent price. I
believe there was a dealer who posted a message saying he had
copies in stock for around $300. Whoever it was, could you please
contact me by e-mail at [e-mail] with your price
and phone number?

-Tim Wilson
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/crestline/
humanoid - kinemodelz - 3d pics & tips

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From: [e-mail] (GKeenan818)
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Subject: Re: Best of LightWave Pro
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I've just been told that my copies are on their way and should be with me
in around 6 weeks!!! After waiting all this time for the stuff, I'm told
that I'll get a voucher and a delivery by surface mail.... Jeez.... Guess
who's not going to be going for any more offers from said company.

Does Avid really care? I doubt it, but if any of you out there would care
to do some maths for me can you tell me just how much money they would
have made by cashing in everything since December, and not shipping till
the end of April? It must be e few bucks....

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From: [e-mail] (GKeenan818)
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Subject: Re: Dongle Failure
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I just got a new working dongle back at last!

Many thanks to DPS for getting everything sorted out for me.

One point, the dongle came back in it's original case, so does this mean
it war repaired or was the internals replaced and the old case stuck back
on?


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From: [e-mail] (GKeenan818)
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Subject: UPGRADE DEADLINE FOR 5.0
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Unless I'm missing something here after reading all the wonderful things
about LightWave 5.0 etc... I have not heard anything about the dealine for
people placing orders for the 4.0 - 5.0 upgrade.

The cross platform upgrade was nothing more than a shambles and many UK
users lost out because NewTek did nothing to propmote the fact that there
WAS a deadline.

So..... is there something official on this, or have I just opened another
can of worms.

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From: [e-mail]. (Mack)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave not working!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I am having a problem with lightwave.exe, It keeps messing up
>everytime I try to run it. Windows shuts it down. The modeler works
>fine, but I can't get into lightwav.exe, please help
>
that's sweet,you can use one half of you software only?
think i'll stick with max for a while...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(above was a remark similar that that typically uttered by a lightwave head
gushing about how his software is the best there is,was will be,..what ever...
have many of these rabid lightwave users ever touched another piece of
software? Alias, Soft or Max.All packages have there advantages. Alias has
the worlds best modeler,
soft has the best charater animation, though Charater Studio is extremely
scary, you should see it...
max is brand new...really inovative and fast as hell, but it is a 1.0 release
and will take time to settle in..

lightwave has been around for a long time for a non-sgi program and it's users
are therefore experienced and skilled...which is what matters over all.
the rabidness of Amiga's users killed it. end of story. think hard folks. how
far can a platform go when anyone interested is confronted with fanatics..
can anyone explain why windoze is the the dominant platform? because windoze
users are regular people and sympathetic(for a reason!)..not frighting
 fanatics
it's easy to love the software you know isn't it?

.why is 3d studio at twice the price  the biggest animation package on the pc?
same reason...3d studio has it's flaws for sure, rendering could be much
better and the inferace is funky  but it's fast as hell on even slow pc's and
it's stable as hell and has a plugin for everything.
it has two user groups and everybody seems to want to learn. it's in class
rooms everywhere.Why is this if Lightwave is the only package anyone should
ever learn?


Lightwave vs Alais, please....Alias is expensive and a massive pig, but you'll
never be able to do do things in any other package that you can do in Alias.


Hope you enjoyed my rant, just a little payback for all the Lightwave users
that kept coming in into 3d studio areas to drop flames ( and secretly drool
over Max)
mack the kanife


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> I also heard that the native MAX
> object/scene format is not compatable or portable with ANYTHING(it will import old .3ds files) and
> that can also make a difference, many of us port objects back and forth between programs.

Oops, forgot this one. MAX has really good import export of DXF and 3DS files. Not sure yet what
other import/export formats it supports.

Jeff
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I am looking for a fast way to convert a scanned 2 Color Bitmap (for
example a Logo)
into a 2D Polygon to use it in Lightwave.

I have tried to export a *.DXF format out of Corel Draw and import it in
the modeler with the Autocad Plugin, i doesn´ work.

Who knows a another way to converte Bitmaps into *.LWO?


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> Now Greg.... You know Jeff is never going to accept YOUR work.... I'm
> mean really, you ONLY work at Digital Domain - what the heck would
> someone from Digtial Domain know about photoreal animating ;-)

I have and did. We sent pictures back and forth for a while a few months
ago. We were playing around with realistic water and refraction. Greg's
stuff was always a joy to get, although the MIME e-mail always took forever
to download :) I know his talents and I respect his work and I said his
water was photoreal in an earlier post.

Jeff
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> Well.... I seem to recall Amblin doing some composites and rig removal on
> interior shots on Star Trek (JG, GT, care to comment?)

Don't really watch TV except for the news and 60 minutes so I wouldn't know.
I would be interested too.

> You've probably already seen photoreal LW stuff and didn't notice it.

Maybe, maybe not. I watch a lot of movies, was it in there somewhere? :)

> BTW... I'm still waiting to see YOUR great Max stuff.

You pay for the web page and I'll post some stuff :) The only web page
I have now is dedicated to research I am doing for Apple, feel free to
visit and comment on it. We are trying to tie schools to working
professionals.
http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/other/id/apple/grapefruit/grapefruit.html
The page will be changing in the next few days so feel free to stop back
every once in a while.

Jeff
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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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> Whoops, didn't know that, I am starting to shop around for 3D for my freelance work, already
> know LW(but will closely examine 5.0) and would like to see a list of ALL features in 3DS MAX if
you
> can point me in the right direction.  Not to start in a war on this, but you DID say the word
> "plug-in", didn't you?, I would hate to lay down $3,500 plus another $1,500 (for character studio)
> only to find I still need yet ANOTHER !@#$%^& plug-in.  At that rate, Softimage starts to look
> affordable(I have it and LW at work).  Yes, the missing features in LW5.0 will also be addressed
> by the dreaded "plug-ins", but at least at an AFFORDABLE level.  I also heard that the native MAX
> object/scene format is not compatable or portable with ANYTHING(it will import old .3ds files) and
> that can also make a difference, many of us port objects back and forth between programs.

Go to http://www.ktx.com for MAX info. Yup it's a plug-in :) 4D Vision is selling it now for
$295. You may or may not actually need it since MAX has very nice spline support. But it is
there if you need it. If you shop around you can find deals. I saw a company selling MAX for
$2,900 and have seen stuff about character studio for $1,000. Still a lot of bucks, but it
will make spending that on other goodies easier. Yup LW 5.0 has more bang for the buck hands
down. But MAX seems to be getting some really powerful 3rd party support. Check out Sand Blaster,
Sculpter, Character Studio and other plug-ins. They look incredible. Did you see where SI now
has a plug-in that copies what character studio for MAX does? If you have the cash I would
reccomend SI anyday. If your strapped for cash I would reccomend Lightwave. If your somewhere
in between go for MAX, and then buy Lightwave with the first big paycheck you make.

Jeff
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Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What were once some good threads compairing packages have turned
>into childish name calling and ego flexing. People, try to remember
>you are professionals. Please have respect for other peoples ideas.
>If you want to discuss various packages, and pros and cons when
>compaired to Lightwave, by all means that is good. But keep your
>personal attacks and inflated egos out of it. This is just my
>opinion on a few threads which I think have gotten out of control.
>
>Jeff
>--
>Sr. Programmer 3
>Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
>Emerging Technology Studio

Agreed.  It's amazing how it takes about 4 posts for any X vs. Y
discussion to turn into name calling.  Thank god we can just skip entire
threads, because that's what I end up doing with any X vs. Y after the
first day.
--Brian

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Lyle Milton wrote:
> To back-up this notion, you could compose the motions of your objects and
> then set-up the first camera shot/motion path.  Next you would save the
> camera's motion path and copy it to a null object.  You would then set the
> camera motion for the next shot and then copy that motion to null object
> #2.  Repeat the process until you have a null object for each camera
> movement.
>
> One you have your "null cameras" set you can tweek the texturing and
> lighting.  Before you render just parent the camera to a null camera to
> get a particular shot.

Hi Lyle,

Yes, I think it's always important to think in terms of individual shots
 from the beginning. Using the method you described will accomplish
this. So would multiple cameras. In either case, if you haven't thought
about setting up your animations as a series of camera shots from the
get-go, then you are just "shooting" in the dark no matter what method
you use.

I would argue that if you aren't getting the results you want with only
one camera, then multiple cameras won't give you the results you want
either. This is because it's not an issue of one vrs. many cameras in
LightWave. It's an issue of planning your scene. How many animators
storyboard thier animations out before they render them? How many will
also storyboard thier camera shots?

Again, I think multiple camears would be a convenient feature that I
would use to get multiple perspective views on an object when modeling.
TrueSpace is another example of a program that allows you to do this,
and it's quite convenient. But I don't think multiple cameras -- or the
lack thereof -- should affect the quality or interest of *anyone's*
output.

Nate

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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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It is possible, for once, to have an intelligent discussion about two
pieces of software that doesn't devolve into insulting insinuations?

>>                       -=Fred=-
>>     Feature Film Animator Using LIGHTWAVE at Digital Domain
>>             (perhaps you've heard of it?)
>
>Fred -
>
>Why are you so protective of Lightwave??  Have you ever even really >used
anything else (not _seen_, but _used_).
>
>Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
>cyber.lab g.f.x.
>Orlando, Florida

Ooops.  Too late.
--Brian

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On Tue 30-Apr-1996  2:55p, Jim wrote:
J> [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz) wrote:

J> >On 21 Apr 1996 14:53:02 -0700, [e-mail] (David Hopkins)
J> >wrote:

J> >>Any of you folks get to see that 500Mhz Raptor 3 we were demonstrating
J> in the
J> >>DeskStation booth at NAB?  That baby really screams!  A specific example
J> I
J> >>recall off the top of my head... Load the Watership scene that came with
J> 4.0
J> >>(in the Vehicles dir).  Turn off field rendering, turn on low AA, show
J> while
J> >>rendering and full-screen display.  This beast did it in 11 seconds
J> (while
J> >>playing the Perception card).  I'd be interested in results on your
J> systems...


J> >Assuming that you are at 640x480 square pixels and all else the same
J> >my Dell 200mhz p6 did it in 31 seconds.  This computer only cost $5k.
J> >Hmm.

J> Okay, assuming all things even, that's an increase of 282% in
J> rendering time.   If the frame on the Alpha system take 10 minutes
J> (some transparency can take care of that), then on the P6 it will take
J> 28 minutes.   Multiply that 18 minute increase by 500 frames, and the
J> increase in rendering time is now 150 hours, or 6.25 days.

J> That's why I bought a Raptor 3. . .
------------
Same here!.....Besides, this guy tried it on the wrong frame. If he would of
read the other post from the orriginal poster he would have found out that the
guy was reffering to frame 135, I think it was, and I renderred mine at 79
seconds on my Raptor 275. I wonder how long it would of takin him. But your
point is still true for overall time when you add it all up. But I also have
to agree that there isn't near enough Alpha support for software.....md

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Subject: Re: UPGRADE DEADLINE FOR 5.0
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I don't think there is an upgrade *deadline*.  Most companies will have an
upgrade from even really old pieces of software, just to keep you as a
customer.  Granted, the upgrade from something really old may not be much
of a deal, but I doubt you'll see a cut-off from 4 to 5  anytime.

Just the sooner you get 5.0, the sooner you can start using it.  So, says
the person who bought it at the first day of NAB, and runs out to the
mailbox every day to look for it :)
--Brian

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